(October 28, 2011 at 5:37 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:(October 28, 2011 at 5:13 pm)salty Wrote: Christianity was the only place where I was told that God loved me, cherished me, gave up his life for me, made a path for me, will guide me, will change me, will never leave me and even if I commit inexcuseable evil he'll forgive me, and I don't deserve any of this, which is why it's so amazing, because I know I don't deserve it. You can call someone's thoughts delusional, but until you've set foot in their shoes, until you understand what they have been saved from your point will never be made. You simply cannot convince someone who has experienced the transforming power of Christ to stop living for him, but you can easily derail someone religious.
This is nice, up to a point, and I can certainly understand those kinds of feelings. Are you a Universalist or a believer that the souls of those who aren't going to heaven are extinguished? Because if you're not, it's very likely you believe that anyone who doesn't agree with you on theological matters is destined for and deserves eternal, writhing torment in unimaginable pain. And that's not so nice.
I'm glad you can understand my feelings, even if it's limited. I've been looking for someone who can do that. When it comes to heaven and hell I have to say that I really don't know what's going to happen because God will be the judge. He does spend a lot of time in the bible describing the kinds of people that will inherit the kingdom and the kind that won't.
The kind that will inherit the kingdom are people that delight in God's justice, his character, they love his ways and they offer their lives to serve him not because they have to, but because they truly believe that he has a plan for them and they want to achieve what he has set forth. Also, people who die before they are able to understand the difference between right and wrong will inherit the kingdom and people that lived their lives by a higher moral code believing that there is a structure of right and wrong that is revealed to them in their conscience and a higher being that they will answer to for the evils they've commited, these people are people that do not know Christ, but still serve him through their conscience and their lifestyle.
Those who will not inherit the kingdom. People who live as if they have no one to answer to and who despise the Lord's way. People who seek selfishness and hope to achieve only their own goals without caring for others and without submitting to God. People who enjoy commiting sin and have no remorse and no intention to repent.
Everyone has the choice of heaven or hell, what they choose is up to them. Concerning a soul, the bible does say that the devil will be tortured for eternity, but mentions people being razed like sodom and gomorrah and we know that those cities were destroyed but they're not still burning.. so I don't know what will happen to people that go to hell, but I want to make it clear that we all deserve hell because God could have been done with us when we decided to disobey, it wasn't God's fault that Eve chose the fruit, it was fully her decision to listen to the serpent. I believe that God felt that people like you and me shouldn't suffer for a decision we couldn't stop, since none of us could tell Eve to get her fingers off that fruit the lord provided a way for all of us to choose, now no one can be blamed for someone's else's decision.
"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." Hebrews 11:6