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Help: jumped on for seeking scientific proof of spiritual healing
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Help: jumped on for seeking scientific proof of spiritual healing
Yikes! Signed on to a similar site that is not like this one, I guess!

Tried to point out the need for scientific proof of spiritual healing before assuming it's bogus. And got jumped on for not providing scientific proof, when that's what I am asking to set up. Duh.

I get it that people aren't used to the idea of using science to prove something not established yet as far fetched as spiritual healing.

I've got a live one or two on my tail. I don't know how to calm them down, as they have me pegged as something else, I'm not sure what.

Feel like I opened a can of worms.

Is anyone else on other sites? Can you help me out, please PM me. if you are on the same site, can you invite the two posters there to come here, where there is not this jumpy attitude.

Why can't we discuss this rationally how to set up scientific studies so there is no need to jump on people for asking? Jumpin Jehovah Jelly beans!
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RE: Help: jumped on for seeking scientific proof of spiritual healing
I would suggest brevity.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great

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RE: Help: jumped on for seeking scientific proof of spiritual healing
Spirituality will be in their minds outside of what science can discover. it is the new hiding place of all woo including the Christian god.
I think the phrase is "non-overlapping magisteria"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-overlapping_magisteria



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RE: Help: jumped on for seeking scientific proof of spiritual healing
You'll have to define what 'spiritual healing' is and then ask for suggestions on setting up a double-blind experiment to test it - assuming it is testable in that way. If it isn't, forget it.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

Albert Einstein
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RE: Help: jumped on for seeking scientific proof of spiritual healing
If you can't demonstrate a spirit, then you can't move on from there. Don't put the cart before the horse.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Help: jumped on for seeking scientific proof of spiritual healing
Hopefully someone can aid my ailing memory, I believe about ten years ago the John Templeton foundation funded some research into the effectiveness of prayer in healing.

I think Dawkins referred to it in the God Delusion too due to what a spectacular failure it was but it's been too long since I read it. It's a good starting point, because it was organized by Doctoral tier Theists from the great "Theologian families" in the U.K, long regarded as leading lights in modern Anglican and Roman Catholic Theology and it largely blew up in their faces. I just can't remember what the project itself was called.
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RE: Help: jumped on for seeking scientific proof of spiritual healing
1) Ask them to define spirit.
2) Ask them how it is falsifiable
- If it is not falsifiable, it is not scientific.
3) Ask them how they ruled out all the other natural explanations
- The "tell me what the natural explanation is in X phenomena" is an argument from ignorance. They have to prove that a natural explanation is impossible.

That should be enough.
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RE: Help: jumped on for seeking scientific proof of spiritual healing
(February 16, 2015 at 7:10 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: If you can't demonstrate a spirit, then you can't move on from there. Don't put the cart before the horse.

"Spiritual" doesn't require a spirit any more that "elfin" requires an elf. You still know the referent.

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RE: Help: jumped on for seeking scientific proof of spiritual healing
(February 16, 2015 at 7:22 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:
(February 16, 2015 at 7:10 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: If you can't demonstrate a spirit, then you can't move on from there. Don't put the cart before the horse.

"Spiritual" doesn't require a spirit any more that "elfin" requires an elf. You still know the referent.

If this is true. Revise my first quetion "what is spiritual healing?"
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RE: Help: jumped on for seeking scientific proof of spiritual healing
Spirituality = woo.

And I don't do woo.
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