RE: Intellectual Humility: A Guiding Principle For The Skeptical Movement?
September 11, 2020 at 8:19 pm
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(September 11, 2020 at 9:45 am)Ranjr Wrote: Religions do in fact oppose science that challenges it's views. That is observable.
Some do and some don't. Religion is a big category.
More importantly, science is incompatible with theology far less than some people suppose.
Quote:Religious people, as you shifted terminology, may not be aware of science that challenges their beliefs, which I why I didn't imagine, as you do, what they think.
I shifted the terminology because "religion" is an abstract noun. Opposition or support is carried out by people.
Within Christianity, for example, there is an extremely wide range of views.
I don't have to imagine what they think, as I have read what they wrote. I'm careful to limit what I say about Christian views to what Christians have said.
Quote:To say the Inquisition didn't happen and Galileo was not kept under house arrest shows willful ignorance.
I didn't say there was no inquisition and I didn't say Galileo wasn't under house arrest. So you are accusing me falsely.
The comic book version of the Galileo trial which has been repeated as evidence that religion is intrinsically opposed to science is largely false. It was a unique case, was due largely to stubbornness and personality conflict on both sides, and included far more than mere opposition to new science. Galileo had many supporters in the Vatican.
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A brief description of the facts of the case is here:
https://triedgeart.wordpress.com/2013/05...sm-affair/
The "conflict thesis," which imagines that science and religion are intrinsically opposed, was 19th century historiography. It doesn't hold up to an examination of the facts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_thesis
Here is a partial list of Catholic clergymen who made a significant contribution to math or science:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ca...scientists
I was particularly interested in the group called the Oxford Calculators, a group of theology professors in the 14th century who used advanced math and empirical experiment to show that some of what Aristotle said about motion was incorrect. They were burned at the stake, of course. No they weren't, they had long successful careers in the church. When avid Christian Isaac Newton said that he stood on the shoulders of giants, these are some of the giants he had in mind.