RE: Preying on the predators
January 25, 2021 at 4:39 pm
(This post was last modified: January 25, 2021 at 5:16 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
What would be doomed or flawed with using conservation hunting as a tool to bring up levels of deer where the forest shows damage based on their absence, or to bring down levels of deer when it shows damage due to their being overpop?
The only entities that put more into conservation here in the us are federal land management grants. I just explained what that land was being managed for, and the metrics they were using (and, fwiw, it's not just the deer and the biodiversity they want and get from the way we manage forests, it's quality timber as well). I get that you don't mind collecting the data - but hunters are the ones collecting the data right now. Paying for the privilege, while they're at it. They were the ones who managed the deer in all of those enclosure studies. Who do we replace them with, and what money do we pay them with?
On an even more fundamental and selfish note, if Cletus T Ruralamerican is no longer allowed to hunt... how long do you think that the taxes which appropriate those federal monies are going to survive his elected politicians? With respect to coyotes and pretty much anything else, outside of a managed hunting program, people aren't going to stop shooting them anyway - they just won't be managed and conservation will be out those funds.
Or, perhaps an even more specific problem. One referenced earlier in your links. Significant overpop, unhealthy and undersized, too many females to males, damaged forest.
In the conservation hunting model, they could slot to achieve whatever numbers their enclosure studies dictate. Massive harvest below size x, a middle restricted to y amount of does only in-slot, and a top end trophy restricted to bucks by tag. Keep going into the forest every year to assess the changes made by reference to indicator species and interactions. Alter the slots and the in slot restrictions as required.
What would the no hunting solution to this problem look like?
The only entities that put more into conservation here in the us are federal land management grants. I just explained what that land was being managed for, and the metrics they were using (and, fwiw, it's not just the deer and the biodiversity they want and get from the way we manage forests, it's quality timber as well). I get that you don't mind collecting the data - but hunters are the ones collecting the data right now. Paying for the privilege, while they're at it. They were the ones who managed the deer in all of those enclosure studies. Who do we replace them with, and what money do we pay them with?
On an even more fundamental and selfish note, if Cletus T Ruralamerican is no longer allowed to hunt... how long do you think that the taxes which appropriate those federal monies are going to survive his elected politicians? With respect to coyotes and pretty much anything else, outside of a managed hunting program, people aren't going to stop shooting them anyway - they just won't be managed and conservation will be out those funds.
Or, perhaps an even more specific problem. One referenced earlier in your links. Significant overpop, unhealthy and undersized, too many females to males, damaged forest.
In the conservation hunting model, they could slot to achieve whatever numbers their enclosure studies dictate. Massive harvest below size x, a middle restricted to y amount of does only in-slot, and a top end trophy restricted to bucks by tag. Keep going into the forest every year to assess the changes made by reference to indicator species and interactions. Alter the slots and the in slot restrictions as required.
What would the no hunting solution to this problem look like?
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