RE: The Watchmaker: my fav argument
March 8, 2021 at 3:45 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2021 at 4:02 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You appear to have lost the pulse entirely.
To suggest that we can determine whether a thing is a product of a given designer, and that we can determine some things about a designer by it's alleged designs, is not any argument against the existence of a god you've posited to be incompetent and evil nor is it an ad hom. It's your own proposition. That, just as we might look at earthly hitlers paintings and say that he was an intelligent designer who was fond of architecture but artistically incompetent, we can look at this world as a gods paintings and say he probably liked birds and beetles quite a bit, but he's a moral fuckup with a limited range of knowledge and ability.
If we see some brilliant piece of art, and someone is trying to sell it as earthly hitlers, we declare it a forgery, which is just a fun way of saying - nope, not that guy, he didn't make that - according to everything we know of his character and attributes. The same could be done for the evil and incompetent god.
People are only made atheists™ by not believing in gods. You may be quite eager to cosplay a maltheist, but an atheist is not and cannot be a maltheist, by definition. God is love is just a bit of semantic arglebargle, not what theists believe. Though, I suspect, if you posit that god is love, but determine that the designer of this world is evil and incompetent, you've got an even bigger problem on your hands - and that may explain your gods reaction to all the ladies who say no. Evil and incompetent love is a known quantity.
To suggest that we can determine whether a thing is a product of a given designer, and that we can determine some things about a designer by it's alleged designs, is not any argument against the existence of a god you've posited to be incompetent and evil nor is it an ad hom. It's your own proposition. That, just as we might look at earthly hitlers paintings and say that he was an intelligent designer who was fond of architecture but artistically incompetent, we can look at this world as a gods paintings and say he probably liked birds and beetles quite a bit, but he's a moral fuckup with a limited range of knowledge and ability.
If we see some brilliant piece of art, and someone is trying to sell it as earthly hitlers, we declare it a forgery, which is just a fun way of saying - nope, not that guy, he didn't make that - according to everything we know of his character and attributes. The same could be done for the evil and incompetent god.
People are only made atheists™ by not believing in gods. You may be quite eager to cosplay a maltheist, but an atheist is not and cannot be a maltheist, by definition. God is love is just a bit of semantic arglebargle, not what theists believe. Though, I suspect, if you posit that god is love, but determine that the designer of this world is evil and incompetent, you've got an even bigger problem on your hands - and that may explain your gods reaction to all the ladies who say no. Evil and incompetent love is a known quantity.
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