RE: The Watchmaker: my fav argument
March 8, 2021 at 5:51 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2021 at 6:20 pm by possibletarian.)
(March 8, 2021 at 9:15 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:(March 8, 2021 at 5:45 am)possibletarian Wrote: If its purpose was to design an earth that seems not ideal for purpose and un-designed, then kudos to it, it did a great job, but then how can we tell the difference?
If you had purchased the earth off the shelf in a god shop, advertised as an ideally designed place for humans to live in, you would return it as faulty
(The atomic bomb illustrates that destruction can be purposeful and designed. If that wasn't your initial point I retract my argument.)
To the latter, I think that in agreeing that Earth is faulty and needs returning you've echoed the Christian narrative. Not only does the story claim that Earth broke down at the Fall and got tossed inside out at the Flood, but there's continual references to restoration and a New Earth to come.
That's exactly my point you cannot show a shred of evidence that the earth, the solar system or the universe was other than less than ideal. Sin and the fall, and the flood is a made up narrative that does not fit earths history at all, and theology and bible is nothing more than a long list of excuses to why creation and its god is less than perfect.
When you quote the bible all you are doing is echoing others made up excuses. If you have evidence that the earth ever existed in any other way than we see it through its history could you show it ?
(March 8, 2021 at 12:06 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: I'll take it one step further and gladly pretend he is not just incompetent but evil. Since the forum seems to think this has any logical significance on the question of existence or intelligent design, I'll accept both terms.
You are deliberately missing the point, you are suggesting things that are in the universe. You know every well that in forums like this the intelligent design debate is centred round the claim that a perfect being created everything.
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'