The Watchmaker: my fav argument

[The Grand Nudger]

Christer god didn't sit down with a protractor and come up with the earth.  He spoke it into existence.  That's not a plan, that's not a design, that's raw fucking power.

Is that not analogous to computer programming? You issue written commands in an executable language, and things happen?

Not in the least, no (and that's not actually what makes the program work, btw, lol - you can type all sorts of gibberish to no effect).  

But go ahead and try it for yourself.  Yell at your pc and see what happens. When you're done, remember that the god proposition, the id proposition, is not that god is a programmer, but that programmers need creator gods or designers, themselves. That the very universes which programmers exist in (as some thing in this sim), need gods or designers, themselves.

Full disclosure. My pre-adult job was working under the table at a rapid prototyping facility for defense circuit boards. Going the computer analogy route is unadvised. I can build them, and explain why you're completely and wholly wrong with any god comparison, from first principles. I wish that we could make a pc or a program the same way that a god can speak a thing into existence, and speak things into working™. I'd have alot nicer rig than this beater. We all would - but that's not how computers or programs, or the process to manufacture or write them, or even the process of design or planning for either....works™.

Sim theory provides your superstitions with absolutely no intellectual cover. You have misunderstood sim theory - and, for what it's worth, intelligent design as well - judging by your remarks. I think...and not without some study on the subject, that you've done this because you are searching for a way to support a declaration, not an observation. What do you think? Is that a possibility?

Let's try something out. Suppose that this world was a sim - just grant it. Suppose that, in some sense unrelated to id but very much related to sim theory - the sim is designed. That doesn't mean that we are, or that anything -in- the sim is designed. We (and any of these things) may be glitches or consequences of the universe in which the sim is instantiated. The designer of the sim..didn't design -that-. Can you see why, in light of this example, that a sim programmer is not equivalent to the intelligent designer proposed by your faith?

Or, to put it another way, are you ready to acknowledge that you worship a limited and un divine sprite addled coder who is himself a natural product of his natural world who works with what he has in an environment he doesn't control and didn't plan to achieve whatever limited range of those effects he can - all of which constrained to his pocket fantasy, and just suffers through whatever glitches and unintentional or un-useful behaviors that his design engenders - or whatever unresolvable issues those unintentional aspects of the assembly impose?

I ask, because that, my friend, is sim theory. Sim theory, is not ID. If your belief in an intelligent designer were true, that wouldn't make sim theory true...and if sim theory were true, that wouldn't make your belief in an intelligent designer true. Thus, they are not functionally or conceptually equivalent. They are in no way analogous or fungible with respect to each other.

You're not looking for a coder. You're looking for a coders creator. Feel free to tell me that I'm absolutely wrong, and your beliefs are too some fucking absurd other thing. I won't mind.