RE: The Watchmaker: my fav argument
March 11, 2021 at 2:19 pm
(This post was last modified: March 11, 2021 at 3:13 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
-aaaand he's back!
It's not up to us to define the word designed, so that other people can even comprehend wtf we're talking about. That's your job. The IDers tried and failed. You tell me how the world is designed, and what that means, so that I can look at the world and even if i don;t believe in genies...say, "well, shit, I think you may be right."
I'll wait.
In the meantime, I consider these things plainly. Maybe some offsite mod looks designed, maybe some unknown and inscrutable intention does - but not the world we see. Not even to you, I suspect.......but it's worth asking. Is this world, that we see, in your estimation the genuine article? Is this a gods plan and a gods design - however you might define it - working as intended?
You must realize that you're about to smash your face into the wall of me declaring, and not without similarly plain and straightforward rationale... your god to be incompetent or evil.
The mp mt switch states that any valid form of one has an identical expression in the other. No dice.
*fwiw, I'm actually willing to negotiate here - the ship in the night and the paper tomorrow.
I'm trying to find you some pictures, John. Once upon a time I built a functional 8 bit ks computer inside a simulation (out of sheeps wool, in the sim, that I farmed and bred in the sim) that was hosted by the boards (it wasn't a solo effort, I had help from a friend who had no idea why anything went were - but that didn't effect the end product). If I can find them, I would be very amused to know that looking at a picture of my in-sim avatar and my in-sim accomplishment, you sit there thinking to yourself.......
-There's my god, there's something like my god. An intelligent designer like the intelligent designer I believe in. A design just like the sorts of designs I take to be indicative of gods.
I'm guessing no? I want to point out that, within the sim, a more useful or funtional or well designed computer literally could not have been concieved of or built. It was the limit. I could add bits, but only by duplicating the slice and every slice would take longer to finish a cycle. That I am very much and inarguably an intelligent designer - but even all of that, doesn't support the propositions of ID. It;s not impossible for terrain to be generated in this sim that can reproduce the range of function ...and, underneath the hood, literally every part of it -was- such a function. So here we have a designed world, and a known designer, and an inarguable design.......in a sim.....but, strangely, none of it..... not a single line of code, can hold the ID god up. It's just too heavy of a lift.
It's not up to us to define the word designed, so that other people can even comprehend wtf we're talking about. That's your job. The IDers tried and failed. You tell me how the world is designed, and what that means, so that I can look at the world and even if i don;t believe in genies...say, "well, shit, I think you may be right."
I'll wait.
In the meantime, I consider these things plainly. Maybe some offsite mod looks designed, maybe some unknown and inscrutable intention does - but not the world we see. Not even to you, I suspect.......but it's worth asking. Is this world, that we see, in your estimation the genuine article? Is this a gods plan and a gods design - however you might define it - working as intended?
You must realize that you're about to smash your face into the wall of me declaring, and not without similarly plain and straightforward rationale... your god to be incompetent or evil.
(March 11, 2021 at 1:50 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:(March 11, 2021 at 1:34 pm)Sandman Slim Wrote: You going to support your claim or just keep making squawking sounds? Your claim, your burden.
Science is not a courtroom. We formulate hypotheses via Modus Tollens. We seek to deny the consequent, because affirming it is a logical fallacy.
The mp mt switch states that any valid form of one has an identical expression in the other. No dice.
*fwiw, I'm actually willing to negotiate here - the ship in the night and the paper tomorrow.
I'm trying to find you some pictures, John. Once upon a time I built a functional 8 bit ks computer inside a simulation (out of sheeps wool, in the sim, that I farmed and bred in the sim) that was hosted by the boards (it wasn't a solo effort, I had help from a friend who had no idea why anything went were - but that didn't effect the end product). If I can find them, I would be very amused to know that looking at a picture of my in-sim avatar and my in-sim accomplishment, you sit there thinking to yourself.......
-There's my god, there's something like my god. An intelligent designer like the intelligent designer I believe in. A design just like the sorts of designs I take to be indicative of gods.
I'm guessing no? I want to point out that, within the sim, a more useful or funtional or well designed computer literally could not have been concieved of or built. It was the limit. I could add bits, but only by duplicating the slice and every slice would take longer to finish a cycle. That I am very much and inarguably an intelligent designer - but even all of that, doesn't support the propositions of ID. It;s not impossible for terrain to be generated in this sim that can reproduce the range of function ...and, underneath the hood, literally every part of it -was- such a function. So here we have a designed world, and a known designer, and an inarguable design.......in a sim.....but, strangely, none of it..... not a single line of code, can hold the ID god up. It's just too heavy of a lift.
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