RE: The Watchmaker: my fav argument
March 23, 2021 at 8:08 am
(This post was last modified: March 23, 2021 at 9:19 am by The Grand Nudger.)
-is there a difference, does it really matter?
I think so, sure. If a person still believes in id because they're incompetent - that's pretty much a wash. You can't expect an incompetent person to get things right or wrong for any particular reason. Heads like rocks.
If a person still believes in id because they think it's either unfalsifiable, or hasn't been falsified - then they're just wrong, and being wrong is a thing that can be cleared up, assuming a person doesn't have a head like a rock, as above.
-As a demonstration of the difference in action on the boards, let's take kloros bird pron from earlier.
If Kloro is incompetent, he doesn't know why he looks at those birds and believes that they were designed - but if he's just wrong..it's because he doesn't understand sex and breed linked traits. In the case of the former, debate or discussion, even from his own end, is pointless - he's simply incapable of expressing why he holds the belief he does on the basis of looking at a bird. The latter, easily cleared up. Shot in the dark, the barring is a z trait, lacing..w. A zz bird will always pass the trait to all of it's offspring, whereas a zw bird may pass the trait to roughly half of it's offspring, which can be zz or zw, and all recipients of that trait will be male. In general, females can only get the trait from their fathers, and can only pass it on to their sons. It's like male pattern baldness in humans - but on crack.
This is the thing that provides endless rounds of barred zz birds and laced zw birds for us to oogle at - not some genie painting feathers to it's hearts desire. Now, before we dive headfirst into the next nutbar proposition - that the process above -is- god's paintbrush and thats how he achieves the barred feathers he wants..no dice. The z barred genes can produce single bar, double bar.......or.....no bar at all.
(also makes it super easy to sort them from hatch into which pen and feed they need to end up in and eating - upwards of 80% effective even if your sexers are completely untrained)
I think so, sure. If a person still believes in id because they're incompetent - that's pretty much a wash. You can't expect an incompetent person to get things right or wrong for any particular reason. Heads like rocks.
If a person still believes in id because they think it's either unfalsifiable, or hasn't been falsified - then they're just wrong, and being wrong is a thing that can be cleared up, assuming a person doesn't have a head like a rock, as above.
-As a demonstration of the difference in action on the boards, let's take kloros bird pron from earlier.
If Kloro is incompetent, he doesn't know why he looks at those birds and believes that they were designed - but if he's just wrong..it's because he doesn't understand sex and breed linked traits. In the case of the former, debate or discussion, even from his own end, is pointless - he's simply incapable of expressing why he holds the belief he does on the basis of looking at a bird. The latter, easily cleared up. Shot in the dark, the barring is a z trait, lacing..w. A zz bird will always pass the trait to all of it's offspring, whereas a zw bird may pass the trait to roughly half of it's offspring, which can be zz or zw, and all recipients of that trait will be male. In general, females can only get the trait from their fathers, and can only pass it on to their sons. It's like male pattern baldness in humans - but on crack.
This is the thing that provides endless rounds of barred zz birds and laced zw birds for us to oogle at - not some genie painting feathers to it's hearts desire. Now, before we dive headfirst into the next nutbar proposition - that the process above -is- god's paintbrush and thats how he achieves the barred feathers he wants..no dice. The z barred genes can produce single bar, double bar.......or.....no bar at all.
(also makes it super easy to sort them from hatch into which pen and feed they need to end up in and eating - upwards of 80% effective even if your sexers are completely untrained)
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