(March 23, 2021 at 3:59 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(March 23, 2021 at 2:17 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Theism doesn't have to be incoherent for your beliefs to be incoherent or for a person to be an atheist. That's your own problem, not any atheists.
No, you're lying. Many atheists have a problem with evil, for example, many of them, actually, became atheists as a result of some traumatic event highlighting suffering. In this case, we have people who would otherwise believe in God if these obstacles weren't there.
(March 23, 2021 at 2:17 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I feel like we're all just going to keep repeating the obvious until it sinks into your thick skull. We already know that you exist. We already know that you've rationalized your beliefs. What did you think this was supposed to demonstrate, again?
It demonstrates that those who find the arguments for God compelling have no excuse to reject belief, because many people managed to reconcile belief with these so-called excuses.
(March 23, 2021 at 2:17 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Should we interpret your comments about taking the easy way out as you acknowledging that your religion is evil, and just not giving shit? Is that on that list of things? If your main complaint is that you can't argue your way out of being a death cultist...I think we see another you problem, not our problem.
Of ccourse I can argue my way out of my belief. I actually do have issues with it, like God revealing his message to a handful of people, or the well-known story of al-Khidr, as described in 18:65-82, or the corruption of earlier scripture, and other issues. I can choose the easy way out and say these issues are serious enough to reject belief, instead of trying to better understand them.
(March 23, 2021 at 2:35 pm)Angrboda Wrote: You've moved from claiming that it's highly probable that the beliefs have been rationally reconciled (for which we have no evidence) to there is no reason to believe theism is incoherent.
Even if I believed that, it's a different argument. Stop moving the goalposts and settle on an argument. Please restate the argument which you want us to consider.
Whether any of the objections to theism are conclusive is a matter of debate and another claim that you have not provided evidence for. Are you just content to engage in a Gish Gallop?
I didn't change anything, read the post more carefully, please. My argument stands : it's highly probable that they have been reconciled. Do you disagree? You say we have no evidence that theism is coherent, well, we usually don't try to prove a negative (there is no contradiction in theism), we simply say : atheists were trying with this problem for thousands of years and didn't manage to come up with a contradiction, therefore it's almost certain that there is none.
(March 23, 2021 at 2:55 pm)Nomad Wrote: So the best way to "disprove" atheism are the alleged rantings of an insane and paedophilic mass murderer.
Yeah, and I'm the Queen of Sheba.
How do you know Muhammad PBUH is "insane", you must be a very skilled psychiatrist to come up with this precise retrospective diagnosis.
(March 23, 2021 at 2:49 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: When you (or anyone else) provides some testable, repeatable evidence for a god then and only then will I believe in it, what your (or any other) magic book says about it is irrelevent
What you're asking for is how we prove there is a physical object or particle, not a supernatural agent.
Supernatural is a null word. If something exists it must be natural.
Your claims have as much reality as the easter bunny and pixies
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Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups
Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it!
