Are lockdowns justified?

[The Architect Of Fate]

(Didn’t want to quote all that mess)

FA points out that the low end of the vaccines’ effectiveness is 68% and the high end is 95% and questions whether this will be enough to end the pandemic.

His numbers give a median value of around 80%. This is significantly higher that the number of infected/recovered people to establish herd immunity (generally stated as about 70%). So, the answer seems to be ‘yes’. Inoculating 70% of a population with a vaccine that is 80% effective will be enough to end the pandemic.

As to the inevitable objection, ‘Why don’t we wait for herd immunity to kick in on its own?’, it’s worth noting that smallpox killed at least 300 million people (possibly as many as 500 million) in the 20th century alone. Herd immunity never kicked in. Smallpox was stopped by ...wait for it...an aggressive vaccine inoculation programme.

Boru

I don't think it is fair to bring up smallpox vaccination here. You need to understand that smallpox was the only virus in human history we eradicated via vaccination. You need to consider there are many diseases we tried to eradicate via vaccination and failed. Furthermore, smallpox is a DNA virus, which almost never mutates. COVID is an RNA virus, which means it will mutate. So, a vaccine which is 80% effective this year will probably be far less effective the next year. A lot better comparison is comparing COVID vaccines to influenza vaccinations.

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Whatever reason?

Ontario schools moved to online only after April break – Kingston News (kingstonist.com)

“We are seeing a rapidly deteriorating situation with a record number of COVID cases and hospital admissions threatening to overwhelm our health care system,” said Premier Ford. “As I have always said we will do whatever it takes to ensure everyone stays safe. By keeping kids home longer after spring break we will limit community transmission, take pressure off our hospitals and allow more time to rollout our COVID-19 vaccine plan.”

Assuming COVID is spread only by droplets, that it is not airborne, closing schools does not make a lot of sense. Children who get COVID almost always have no symptoms whatsoever, they do not cough when they have COVID to spread the aerosol.

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Trumpist is becoming a catchall term for right wing nutjobs.   A person is definitely a right wing nutjob if they think that anyone should die for the dow.  Wanna know what shut our economy down, over here in the US?  Not mask mandates.  Not occupancy limits.  Same thing that killed half a million of us.  Covid.  

Plague.....not....good....for...economy.

Well, yes, plague is not good for the economy. However, lockdowns also do damage to the economy and mental health, and it is unclear whether they help against COVID. If they do help, they help the rich at the expense of the poor. Rich people do jobs which can be done from home. Poor people do not. In lockdowns, many poor people will do delivery work, meeting even more people than usual and get infected by COVID which they otherwise would not. "Check your privilege." may be a good response to those advocating lockdowns.

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So we have established Croatia is full of morons.

Every country is. However, Croatia, as well as most of the Eastern Europe, is doing well on International Science Olympiads. At the International Olympiad in Informatics, for example, we are doing better than Canada and Finland: https://stats.ioinformatics.org/countrie...total_desc

Congrats. It's irrelevant to my point

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It's really obvious you have never met or talked to the man.

He's also never met Hilter or Putin. You don't need to meet someone to judge their public statements or the public record on them.

I have.

Both in-person - and quite a bit online.

Do you want a cookie for befriending a stupid POS?

You are just mistaking a different opinion for stupid.

Nope, he's pointing out something stupid is stupid. Because it's stupid.

I think it's real safe to say the "covid 1 through 18" is just part of Ted's twisted sense of humor. He really doesn't give a fuck what you or anyone else thinks of him - and he's real comfortable playing the buffoon for a laugh.

Or more likely he's really that stupid and pretends to laugh it off to save face.

Example: If you search the internet you can find all sorts of stories about him being a draft dodger during the Vietnam era --- where he didn't shower for a week - shit his pants and showed up at for his draft physical - and being classified 4-f - medically unsuitable.

It never happened.

And he's the one who started the story.

Or it did happen, And he's just saying he made it up after the fact.

I know this for a fact.

Reason? -- A stupid reporter asked him a stupid question - and Ted gave the story for his answer ---- AND -- never retracted the story.

Actually, the question was good and Ted a true story as an answer but now realizes how that makes him look so he has to say it never happened.

Fact - He had a student deferment --- and later got married ---- both putting him waaaayyy down the line in the draft queue.....

Bullshit 

Why didn't he retract the story??? He told me once -- always let your detractors think badly of you. They're going to anyway - and it's a waste of your time to try to set them straight - and it makes it easier to blindside them later.

Well that strategy failed a guess because Ted couldn't blindside an actual blind person, And this sounds like a really bad ad hoc excuse " I'm not really a terrible person it's just everyone's out to get me " How pathetic.