(May 7, 2021 at 4:41 pm)Drich Wrote:(May 6, 2021 at 5:33 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: I don't like walls of text. I didn't feel that cutting out your dictionary definition added anything to the discussion.this is never the case. it's not 1920 any more. no one out to make money is going to hire a white idiot just because he is white over a black or other minority who has years experience. (unless the idiot in question is related and he would trump a white skilled worker.
I am only replying to make my opinion clear.
Yes, quotas and hiring people based on race is a type of discrimination. Ideally, the best people from a pool of candidates should be chosen.
However, there are 2 caveats to this
Quote:1) Top government appointments are not just about hiring someone. They are also about placing people in power who represent the population.again listen to the malcolm X recording. he agrees but for a different reason. he says they are put in government position as token "Knee-grows" (his word) as a measure to control the black population. as the people appointed those jobs know they would never have earned them they can often tims be used as puppets, and are being used to manipulate the black community.
Quote: If you think the population should be color-blind and accept a whole ton of white guys, think again. How has that worked out for minority rights?again why? who cares about skin color if the most qualified is doing everything he can? case in point. donald trump and his admin has arguably done more for the black community than ever president that came before all the way back to lincoln. this includes Obama.
Quote:2) If your hiring does not represent the diversity that is already in a qualified applicant pool, then it is likely your hiring procedures are biased.just because a given minority group represents say 30% of the population does not mean that all 30% are to be considered "qualified applicants.." that's the problem.. 30% of a given population can sometimes only represent 2 or 3% of said applicants.. now say out of a 100 people applying for a job 3 minorities show up.. what are the chances that those three are the top qualified for this job? what if they were in the bottom 10% of applicants skill/ability level. Now rather than hiring the best of the best you are forced to hire someone who can not hurt your company rather than contribute to it.
Quote:That is not about finding "diversity hires", that is about making sure your criteria aren't missing out on truly great talent because people tend to "hire people like them".you are talking about finding rare unicorns people who will make it no matter the field or skin color. people who do not want or need diversity programs (like me, who turned down a free ride to school because i knew i could not read well enough to even graduate high yet because of a quota situation i could have bumped a hardworking well deserving white kid) I even passed on grants to the vocational school i went to, i just worked longer. almost 3 years picking up and mopping floors after real mechanics.
Quote: Checking the actual results of hiring for bias, rather than hiding behind "well, we hired who we thought was best" is correct, not discrimination.that's the law...
I will agree that some people's views of hiring can be discriminatory. If the talent pool is not diverse, some people think that diversity hires should be chosen regardless.
Quote: You can't, without reducing your standards (as you have argued). Some feel that it is a company's job to somehow improve diversity of the talent pool (as if they are responsible for everyone's career choices). Unless they are a huge corporation, giving money for university scholarships, that just isn't possible.and given how the law works you do not see this as a problem? lets say you own a repair shop and are forced to hire a minority or female.. granted there are many many minorities who gravitate towards this field.. but very few are certified as master mechanics. those who are tend to open their own businesses and do very well servicing people who speak their language or share their culture. but most of the rest are grossly incompetent. or have a substance problem or they steal.. now you have to hire and fire 10 to 15 people to find maybe one who will last 1 or 2 years.
Quote:My argument is that with 200 million working people to choose from, the talent pool for top government appointments is quite diverse.if you don't hire and fire people.. if your not in it you can say that, but i don't see it. my contemporaries don't see it. white blk no one wants to work. no one wants to earn it.
Quote: Also, there is a democratic and political reason why the hires at the top levels should be diverse. Biden choosing a diverse cabinet is a positive.again look at what malcom x had to say about this.
Have you been told by Fox News that his cabinet, because they aren't all old white guys, are not qualified?
Boru
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