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[Serious] Non-binary
RE: Non-binary
(June 17, 2021 at 7:53 am)Belacqua Wrote: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't seen any post on this thread in which you suggest that it's bad to be non-binary, or that it's impossible for non-binary people to be happy. 

Right; transgender and non-binary identities are by all accounts healthy individuals. Meaning they can live a successful and fulfilling life, and pursuit happiness like anyone else. Secondly, the incongruence between their sex and gender identity isn't one that by itself interferes with normal functioning. There is no psychological impairment, no impairment of work or normal life activities, and no necessary distress. Therefore, it would be inappropriate to classify it as a dysfunction or disorder.

Insofar as an individual does experience any functional impairments, the issue can be addressed in multiple ways. It's a problem-solving question, and any number of variables can be manipulate to produce the desired outcome. If there is any kind of prejudice or discrimination, you can solve the problem by addressing the social variable. If there is any experienced distress it can be addressed psychologically or (more controversially) biologically.

As far as the term delusion is concerned I think it's likewise important not to use it in a stigmatizing way. Primarily because if we treat it as an insult, it simultaneously throws everyone who does experience delusions under the bus. And they are entitled to the same respect as non-binary individuals. (Note that this has partly been my disagreement with Nudger—he stigmatizes words like illness and therapy and drugs and uses them as sarcastic insults.)

My understanding is that transgenderism fails to meet the clinical criteria for delusion because of the absence of dysfunction. It doesn't interrupt social or psychological functioning the way believing your spouse is an imposter or that your boss is a spy does. As an example, consider that delusions of grandeur will cause you to divorce your spouse, book a flight to Africa, and spend your life savings trying to end world hunger over the weekend.

The appropriate word to use, which you'll find throughout the literature, is incongruence not delusion. They have an incongruence between their sex and their gender.
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Non-binary - by Silver - June 11, 2021 at 3:51 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 11, 2021 at 3:53 am
RE: Non-binary - by Belacqua - June 11, 2021 at 4:47 am
RE: Non-binary - by HappySkeptic - June 11, 2021 at 9:45 am
RE: Non-binary - by arewethereyet - June 11, 2021 at 9:57 am
RE: Non-binary - by onlinebiker - June 11, 2021 at 10:10 am
RE: Non-binary - by Neo-Scholastic - June 11, 2021 at 11:03 am
RE: Non-binary - by Belacqua - June 11, 2021 at 11:51 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Architect Of Fate - June 11, 2021 at 11:25 am
RE: Non-binary - by no one - June 11, 2021 at 11:41 am
RE: Non-binary - by onlinebiker - June 11, 2021 at 11:49 am
RE: Non-binary - by purplepurpose - June 11, 2021 at 11:58 am
RE: Non-binary - by brewer - June 11, 2021 at 12:04 pm
RE: Non-binary - by vulcanlogician - June 11, 2021 at 12:45 pm
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - June 12, 2021 at 2:33 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Neo-Scholastic - June 12, 2021 at 7:20 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Belacqua - June 12, 2021 at 7:44 pm
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - June 12, 2021 at 8:46 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 12, 2021 at 9:28 pm
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - June 12, 2021 at 10:49 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Belacqua - June 13, 2021 at 12:43 am
RE: Non-binary - by Paleophyte - June 29, 2021 at 10:35 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Neo-Scholastic - June 11, 2021 at 1:13 pm
RE: Non-binary - by arewethereyet - June 11, 2021 at 1:25 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 11, 2021 at 1:52 pm
RE: Non-binary - by arewethereyet - June 11, 2021 at 2:00 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Angrboda - June 11, 2021 at 1:56 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 11, 2021 at 2:12 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Architect Of Fate - June 11, 2021 at 3:02 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Rev. Rye - June 11, 2021 at 5:02 pm
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - June 11, 2021 at 6:39 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Architect Of Fate - June 11, 2021 at 6:48 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Anomalocaris - June 12, 2021 at 12:22 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 12, 2021 at 12:25 am
RE: Non-binary - by Anomalocaris - June 12, 2021 at 12:38 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 12, 2021 at 12:28 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 12, 2021 at 12:30 am
RE: Non-binary - by Rev. Rye - June 12, 2021 at 9:20 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 12, 2021 at 12:37 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 12, 2021 at 12:49 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 12, 2021 at 12:58 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 12, 2021 at 1:02 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 12, 2021 at 1:06 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 12, 2021 at 1:23 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 12, 2021 at 2:56 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 12, 2021 at 3:18 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 12, 2021 at 4:23 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 12, 2021 at 4:29 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 12, 2021 at 4:31 am
RE: Non-binary - by Belacqua - June 12, 2021 at 4:55 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 12, 2021 at 5:05 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 12, 2021 at 7:24 pm
RE: Non-binary - by tackattack - June 12, 2021 at 7:46 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 12, 2021 at 7:54 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Architect Of Fate - June 12, 2021 at 8:36 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Architect Of Fate - June 12, 2021 at 10:21 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 13, 2021 at 12:48 am
RE: Non-binary - by Belacqua - June 13, 2021 at 2:06 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Architect Of Fate - June 13, 2021 at 1:48 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 13, 2021 at 2:13 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Architect Of Fate - June 13, 2021 at 6:49 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2021 at 9:40 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 13, 2021 at 10:36 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2021 at 10:40 am
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - June 13, 2021 at 11:03 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 13, 2021 at 10:50 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2021 at 11:03 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2021 at 11:10 am
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - June 13, 2021 at 11:29 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2021 at 2:49 pm
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - June 13, 2021 at 3:17 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Irreligious Atheist - June 13, 2021 at 3:04 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2021 at 3:14 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Irreligious Atheist - June 13, 2021 at 3:42 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2021 at 3:21 pm
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - June 13, 2021 at 3:56 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 13, 2021 at 5:17 pm
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - June 16, 2021 at 2:56 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 13, 2021 at 9:45 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Neo-Scholastic - June 15, 2021 at 9:21 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 15, 2021 at 9:29 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Architect Of Fate - June 15, 2021 at 9:31 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 16, 2021 at 3:38 pm
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - June 16, 2021 at 4:18 pm
RE: Non-binary - by arewethereyet - June 16, 2021 at 3:41 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 16, 2021 at 3:50 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 16, 2021 at 4:29 pm
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - June 16, 2021 at 4:43 pm
RE: Non-binary - by arewethereyet - June 16, 2021 at 4:59 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Architect Of Fate - June 16, 2021 at 5:19 pm
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - June 16, 2021 at 5:33 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Architect Of Fate - June 16, 2021 at 5:49 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 16, 2021 at 5:44 pm
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - June 16, 2021 at 6:15 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 16, 2021 at 8:26 pm
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - June 16, 2021 at 9:57 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Belacqua - June 17, 2021 at 7:53 am
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - June 17, 2021 at 9:07 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 16, 2021 at 10:24 pm
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - June 16, 2021 at 10:45 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 16, 2021 at 11:58 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Belacqua - June 17, 2021 at 12:35 am
RE: Non-binary - by Ravenshire - June 29, 2021 at 1:23 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 17, 2021 at 12:50 am
RE: Non-binary - by Belacqua - June 17, 2021 at 1:02 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 17, 2021 at 1:26 am
RE: Non-binary - by Belacqua - June 17, 2021 at 2:23 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2021 at 6:35 am
RE: Non-binary - by brewer - June 17, 2021 at 7:27 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 17, 2021 at 7:58 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2021 at 8:43 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2021 at 9:13 am
RE: Non-binary - by Fake Messiah - June 17, 2021 at 11:33 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 28, 2021 at 5:01 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Architect Of Fate - June 28, 2021 at 7:52 am
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 28, 2021 at 9:57 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 29, 2021 at 10:36 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Paleophyte - June 29, 2021 at 10:57 pm
RE: Non-binary - by LadyForCamus - June 30, 2021 at 11:06 am
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 29, 2021 at 11:12 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Paleophyte - June 29, 2021 at 11:28 pm
RE: Non-binary - by The Grand Nudger - June 30, 2021 at 10:51 am
RE: Non-binary - by Ravenshire - June 30, 2021 at 4:51 pm
RE: Non-binary - by John 6IX Breezy - July 1, 2021 at 3:18 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Neo-Scholastic - July 1, 2021 at 3:57 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Angrboda - July 1, 2021 at 4:03 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Silver - June 29, 2021 at 11:55 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Paleophyte - June 30, 2021 at 12:56 am
RE: Non-binary - by no one - July 1, 2021 at 3:42 pm
RE: Non-binary - by Neo-Scholastic - July 1, 2021 at 6:37 pm

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