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Do you know WikiIslam ?
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RE: Do you know WikiIslam ?
(June 3, 2021 at 1:04 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(June 2, 2021 at 2:50 pm)viocjit Wrote: I said it is a good site. I didn't said it is an excellent one.

We can see it does lack resources about alternative interpretations of Islam.
Content is mainly based on traditional Sunni views (I know Sunni Islam isn't one united block but composed of many branches like Hanbalism , Hannafism , Malikism etc... with subbranches. I know you won't find two Muslims in the world with exactly the same beliefs like in all religions in which you won't find two believers with the same beliefs) but traditional is more common than alternatives visions.

We can regret the fact there are only few items about conceptions of Islam perceived as heterodox.

Traditional doesn't means you're extremist (Not forget a person can be an extremist even if not violent or / and in favor of violence) or moderate because we can find extremists and moderates in any traditional vision.
What is an extremist ? To define who is an extremist and who is not we must see the norms of the society in which the person live.
In country A the person can be perceived as an extremist. In country B the person can be perceived as a moderate.
Islam is yet another bovine superstition from antiquity that holds back human progress. Why on earth should I need some further biased interpretation of same?

In order to fight superstitions. We must to know many versions of these to contradict these.

(June 3, 2021 at 11:59 pm)no one Wrote: Should I just go and pig out on the knowledge?

Pig out : Did you used this sentence because you know Muslims don't eat pork ?
This is not my role to say you what to do. Do what please to you. If you want to visit this website you can do it.
If you don't want you have the possibility not to do it.

(June 5, 2021 at 12:46 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Well isn't anything that criticizes Islam immediately seen as "anti-Islamic propaganda hate" by Muslims?

That depend of which people. My personal experience (I'm a French who lived his whole life in France and I did never had another citizenship than French. I'm an ethnic French in a family which family members who have a religion are Cafeteria Catholic) with some Muslims about religious debate is the fact it was impossible to debate with them.
This is like is criticizing Islam is like if I was insulting them. They said me they don't want to debate. They said me that in a stressed way. It was like if they were terrorized by a man with a gun.

(June 10, 2021 at 1:02 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: PART SNIPPED BY VIOCJIT

ISIS's interpretation of Islam follows a specific branch known as kharijite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharijites

It's an extreme interpretation of sacred texts and is in no way justified.

I think they are Sunnis (I acknowledge Sunnis followers of terrorism are a minority) if I believe what I read and listened in medias like TV and press.
You should read this more in depth about the comparison between this terrorist group and this branch of Islam : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharijites#Modern_times
They are not Kharijites even it does exist comparisons. It's non nonsensical to compare a branch that don't exist anymore and a branch that exist today.

(June 4, 2021 at 7:10 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(June 2, 2021 at 2:50 pm)viocjit Wrote: Content is mainly based on traditional Sunni views (I know Sunni Islam isn't one united block but composed of many branches like Hanbalism , Hannafism , Malikism etc... with subbranches. I know you won't find two Muslims in the world with exactly the same beliefs like in all religions in which you won't find two believers with the same beliefs) but traditional is more common than alternatives visions.

Well, these branches don't disagree on fundamental aspects of faith like God's attributes (a unique supreme being, in contrast to the doctrine of trinity, for example)  or Muhammad's status as the last prophet to humanity.. they only differ on very technical aspects of fiqh' - how the Islamic law as revealed to Muhammad should be interpreted and applied -.

(May 11, 2021 at 4:41 pm)viocjit Wrote: WikiIslam is a website that is an encyclopedia about Islam.
It is critical about this religion. Critics are based from Islamic texts and contemporary researches.
I think this site is an useful resource for those interested about Islam and want to access to a non Islamic point of view.

Link : https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Main_Page

This website is nothing more than a compilation of outdated anti-Islam themes, let me save you some time and present them all:

- The Islamic prophet's actions, biography, marriages, etc.
- The killing of the Banu Qurayza (a Jewish tribe), presented in an attempt to depict Muhammad PBUH and his companions as mass murderers.
- Attempts to find scientific errors in the Qur'an [News flash : there are none]
- Attempts to find linguistic errors in the Qur'an, this is the most stupid theme imaginable, as the Qur'an is actually regarded as a reference of Arabic grammar, and the finiest text in Classical Arabic.
- Belittling supernatural elements of Islamic faith: jinns, angels, the Buraq' creature, etc.
- Attempts to find logical inconsistencies in authentic hadiths.
- Islam's views on women.
- The concept of Jihad.
- Enforcing Sharia's law against homosexuals, fornicators, apostates, etc.

All of these themes have been discussed endlessly since the dawn of Islam some fourteen centuries ago. What should be kept in mind here is that it's all mostly christian polemics, and christians never succeeded in an argument involving any of these themes because of the extremely violent injunctions found in the Old Testament, whatever they bring from the Qur'an and try to present it as unfair/violent, all one has to do is to bring a similar(or more violent) statement from their own holy book to refute their point. An atheist or an agnostic should be more concerned with the issue of the existence of God than some internal aspect of some religion. It's critical that one accepts the premise of a just God existing before moving on to evaluate organized religions.

Update: the website IS NOT based on contemporary research NOR authentic islamic references. After searching several entries in the website I found many references to the famous biography of Ibn Hisham, which includes many weak and even fabricated hadiths.

(June 3, 2021 at 1:04 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Islam is yet another bovine superstition from antiquity that holds back human progress. Why on earth should I need some further biased interpretation of same?

If Islam inherently holds back progress, how do you explain this ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

Yes , traditional views is more common than alternatives. But alternatives does exist and therefore we cannot ignore these.
Fiqh' is central to interpret different visions of Islam and therefore even if difference of views seem minor they are important.

You declared than Wikiislam : "Attempts to find scientific errors in the Qur'an [News flash : there are none]"
My answer is the next. If we interpret literally Al-Qur'an evolution of species isn't mentioned and this is scientifically proven.
If we understand evolution theory we understand there was never a first human who was a man then a second who was a female.
Species evolved slowly and there were first groups of humans (Not our species but others species) and slowly our specie appeared.

Wikipedia about genus homo : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo
Wikipedia about our specie : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human

You made the statement than Wikiislam : "Attempts to find logical inconsistencies in authentic hadiths."
I answer you. Who considered at first than ahadith contain in Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim are authentic ? Authenticity or not is a thing we can't prove. It is a matter of faith.
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Do you know WikiIslam ? - by viocjit - May 11, 2021 at 4:41 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by WinterHold - May 11, 2021 at 5:35 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by viocjit - June 2, 2021 at 2:50 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Abaddon_ire - June 3, 2021 at 1:04 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by viocjit - June 23, 2021 at 2:41 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by R00tKiT - February 26, 2022 at 9:10 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by viocjit - February 28, 2022 at 2:42 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by R00tKiT - March 18, 2022 at 5:51 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by viocjit - April 18, 2022 at 1:25 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by R00tKiT - April 18, 2022 at 12:52 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by R00tKiT - June 4, 2021 at 7:10 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Abaddon_ire - June 5, 2021 at 8:35 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by R00tKiT - June 10, 2021 at 10:16 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Abaddon_ire - June 10, 2021 at 11:02 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by R00tKiT - June 10, 2021 at 1:02 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Angrboda - June 10, 2021 at 1:06 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by R00tKiT - June 10, 2021 at 1:18 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Angrboda - June 10, 2021 at 2:37 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by R00tKiT - June 10, 2021 at 2:50 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Ferrocyanide - April 15, 2022 at 9:24 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by R00tKiT - April 16, 2022 at 4:54 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Ferrocyanide - April 18, 2022 at 9:26 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by R00tKiT - May 7, 2022 at 4:58 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by The Architect Of Fate - May 11, 2021 at 9:11 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Mister Agenda - March 24, 2022 at 10:58 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by The Architect Of Fate - March 24, 2022 at 6:57 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by no one - June 3, 2021 at 11:59 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Abaddon_ire - June 4, 2021 at 12:33 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Ranjr - June 4, 2021 at 1:03 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by no one - June 4, 2021 at 1:05 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Fake Messiah - June 5, 2021 at 12:46 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Peebo-Thuhlu - June 10, 2021 at 12:32 pm
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RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by no one - March 1, 2022 at 8:18 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2022 at 5:59 pm
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RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by The Valkyrie - March 18, 2022 at 7:05 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Peebo-Thuhlu - April 18, 2022 at 2:09 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2022 at 7:09 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by R00tKiT - March 23, 2022 at 6:50 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Pat Mustard - March 25, 2022 at 8:16 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Astreja - March 25, 2022 at 8:33 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by The Grand Nudger - March 24, 2022 at 7:37 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Mister Agenda - March 25, 2022 at 7:33 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by The Architect Of Fate - March 25, 2022 at 3:41 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2022 at 4:21 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by The Architect Of Fate - March 26, 2022 at 4:43 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by The Architect Of Fate - April 15, 2022 at 9:39 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by Ferrocyanide - April 16, 2022 at 1:00 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2022 at 1:13 am
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2022 at 1:22 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by R00tKiT - April 18, 2022 at 1:46 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2022 at 2:05 pm
RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by R00tKiT - April 18, 2022 at 2:22 pm
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RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2022 at 2:51 pm
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RE: Do you know WikiIslam ? - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2022 at 10:04 pm
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