Benevolent Creator God?

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Okay, then - I see no objective (not personal) evidence that such a thing as an afterlife exists, or even that such a thing could exist.  That in itself is more than enough to power my disbelief.  Life is much too short to play "what-if" games with every untestable hypothesis that someone dreams up.

Sorry to bother you with what-if games. It's just that there is a potential risk of infinite loss if one plays this game dishonestly. Is it rational not to worry about the possibility of an infinite loss?

God's existence is a sufficient condition for the existence of an afterlife, as I repeatedly explained in this forum. It's not really difficult to understand why: a basic property of God is justice. A consequence of justice is that all people should be accountable for their acts, and hence there has to be another life where such a thing happens - this is really a trivial corollary of the assumption that God exists.

And since we have very compelling arguments for God's existence, I am afraid an afterlife is more than just some idea someone dreamed up.

Like the invisible dragon sitting in your living room, for instance?  

Exactly. Do you have some way to rule out the existence of my invisible dragon? Until you do, just acknowledge this simple rule of thumb: any assertion you can't rule out is possible, any assertion.

 You insist upon confounding personal beliefs (which are by nature subjective) with objective facts, hopping from one foot from another in your Logical Fallacy Faerie costume and resorting to special pleading whenever we ask that you abide by the same standards that you demand of us.

This really is a pretty accurate description of yourself. You didn't bother to be precise and mention that everything you say is your personal opinion, not some argument you're going to defend objectively.

I know that you have beliefs, beliefs that are extremely important to you.  At least have the self-awareness to recognize that other people have excellent reasons for not believing the same things that you do.  If you can't accept that, that's your loss rather than ours.

I can't think of any excellent reason to not to be open to deductive or ontological arguments -like you are.

I know for a fact that pointing out the hilarious mistakes in magic book doesn't move you.  Again, we've had this conversation - I've seen how you handle it...and I think you might know how you'd handle as much...as well.

I am sorry if your hilarious attempts to find the purported mistakes don't move me. I am a regular member of arabic atheist forums since 2013, so I am familiar with most of their desperate attempts of finding mistakes, some think the Qur'an got the embryonic development wrong, some think the Qur'an says semen originates from the backbone/the ribs ( dishonestly omitting the word between in the verse), some think the Qur'an says the sun sets in a muddy spring, I saw this stuff repeated dozens of time. Anything else you want to add? Or do you want me to point out their misunderstandings for you?

Do you think any of these accusations are right, or that they misunderstood the verses in question? 

And, the most important question : Do you think the Qur'an can't be misunderstood .. especially by people who are biased against it?

Good.  And knowing just that, you can know that your previous contention was false on it's face - even if you don't agree with my own position.  Congratz!, No one will ever have too hear you say such a silly thing again....riiiight.....?  In mere point of fact, I don't actually have to believe that your man god got anything right, by fairies or otherwise....let alone miraculously so.

Now you are just being dishonest. Do you think the Qur'an is somewhat also wrong when it mentions mundane facts?

I already addressed this, pages ago.  Egyptian potentates claim to divinity was not a secret...ever...to anyone.  They asserted as much openly and advertised it with monumental construction.  

Okay. So Muhammad wasn't wrong mentioning their claim of divinity, he was at worst mentioning mundane facts, right? Why did you say this, then :

 In mere point of fact, I don't actually have to believe that your man god got anything right

Are you sure you don't want to take this one back?

They asserted as much openly and advertised it with monumental construction.  

How does monumental construction tell you they claimed they're gods ? Does Mount Rushmore prove Washington or Lincoln claimed divinity ? 

Nobody is contesting that the pharaohs openly asserted divinity -that's what the Qur'an is telling you, duh. but not as openly for it to reach Arabia centuries later. The bible would've mentioned that if their authors knew it, for example. 

And my question that went unanswered was, how does Muhammad distinguish fact from fiction in these ancient stories, People also advertise myths openly. disagree? You actually can't disagree, since you think Muhammad advertised the myth of Islam, so why didn't he advertise some ancient myth that was later debunked after people could decipher hieroglyphs? Any idea or example?

Why would a nut be a nut?  

Because he was a nut.  Who cares?  You dont actually care that magic book gets shit wrong and when it's pointed out to you.... you will search for some reason why wrong is right.

You failed like everybody else, for 14 centuries, to point out anything wrong in the Qur'an. To be fair, there are some verses that can easily be misunderstood as mistakes because of the nature of Classical Arabic, add that to dubious translations, but whose fault is that? People who study arabic badly, or those who think googling "qur'an mistakes" is a reliable way to reach ultimate reality ? Why would some fool today think they understand classical Arabic better than the people who surrounded Muhammad, who had every reason to invalidate his claims and ridicule the Qur'an, and who were, of course, more fluent than any arabic native speaker alive...? -and certainly more fluent than any non-native speaker........

Put yourself in our shoes, someone comes to you and tells you they found a mistake (sometimes, even a grammar mistake) in the Qur'an. Then you wonder, someone who likely has no credentials relatively to classical arabic literature is criticizing the finest work of Arabic prose in existence, how should you proceed..?

  There can be a god...who never wrote any books.  It's not as if -you- think god was prodigious writer, either........

I agree there can be a god who never inspired a book, in which case he would have never communicated with us, . Now why do you rule out a god who inspires books? What's inherently contradictoy about communicating a message to a human being.. or is it just that you think there no sufficient evidence..?

Absent all known religious books, there is no known sign of divine guidance. Agree? disagree?