RE: The meaninglessness of the Christian god concept
November 12, 2011 at 3:02 am
(This post was last modified: November 12, 2011 at 3:16 am by Captain Scarlet.)
(November 11, 2011 at 5:31 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Oh so now, at this late stage, you are asking ME for a definition of the Xtian God....The prosecution rests...
(November 12, 2011 at 1:43 am)MysticKnight Wrote: The word god is not meaningless. God is Powerful. I understand what this means. God is Ultimately Powerful. I understand that. God is Ultimately Moral. I understand what moral means. God is Compassionate. I understand that. God is Merciful. I understand that. God is holy. I understand that. God is Wise. I understand that. God is Intelligent. I understand that.Your rejoinder has no merit if it is your bare assertion that the term god has meaning becuase you say it does. You then describe the supposed secondary and relational attributes of said term. But again they are left floating in thin air as if we are to gasp in awe and it suddenly click what the 'nature' of a god is. I have detailed the argument and presented examples you need to read them carefully, not blindly assert things you cannot know.
(November 12, 2011 at 1:43 am)MysticKnight Wrote: This seems like a really weak argument. We understand properties of this being, but yes we don't full comprehend it, just as I don't fully comprehend the human body, yet sill have a general idea of it.It maybe is a weak argument, so just defeat it then. It will fail if you can identify the positive primary attribute of a god. But you haven't and you are admitting that you do not know. If you do not know what a god is, how can you then claim he/they are creator/s, all powerful the colour puple or anything; simply you cannot. A thing has to be a thing. So however weak the argument from gods meaninglessness is (non-cognitivism of god if you prefer), the argument that god is meaningful is necessarily weaker. You are left in a position where your only recourse (as you have amply demonstrated) is to self justify it and effectively say "it is true, it is true and it doesn't matter what you say atheist". Thats ok but it isn't an argument, it doesn't defeat the argument and it isn't rational. It is also the trick pulled by the conmen in the "Emporers New Clothes", and they were holding onto nothing too.
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
