RE: Marxism, what you got?
August 27, 2021 at 4:06 pm
(This post was last modified: August 27, 2021 at 4:10 pm by vulcanlogician.)
(August 27, 2021 at 3:49 pm)Ahriman Wrote:(August 27, 2021 at 3:42 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: I agree that crime is a symptom of class struggle.Class struggle? Some people are just bad, and enjoy committing crime.
However, I disagree that if you do away with classes, you do away with crime. Same thing with the government disappearing when communism is established. I think Marx got that wrong too.
In short, I consider myself a Marxist (because I think Marx had good criticisms). But I don't consider myself a communist.
Even the type of communist who says, "Mao and the Soviets did it wrong."-- while these communists may be correct that Mao/Lenin did it wrong... I still think communism is unrealistic (as Marx envisioned it). People are determined by more than their social conditions. Social conditions are a huge determining factor, yes, but Marx overestimated how much of a factor it is.
Even if what you say is 100% true, that doesn't mean that crime isn't a symptom of class struggle.
Let's say someone claims: sneezing is a symptom of allergies. It wouldn't challenge the claim to say "dusty rooms make people sneeze."
(August 27, 2021 at 4:04 pm)Ahriman Wrote:Quote: Of the number of people currently imprisoned in the us, what percentage do they account for, if you had to guess? On a fundamental level, having the laws doesn't stop them - and getting rid of the laws wouldn't make anyone who wasn't already one of them do whatever shitty thing they do. The rule of law, and notions of some people™ just being bad, are more often tools for class oppression than objective assessments of human nature or necessity.Nearly all of them.
Wow. How did you come up with that estimate? I can't tell you how much I disagree.
I mean, really, Ahri, give it some thought. People in poverty are much, much more likely to commit crime. What about poverty makes people "like" to commit crime?