Marxism, what you got?

[Ahriman]

Conservatives mostly have their head up their ass.  The USA has benefitted greatly from socialist policies over the years and it hasn't been much of an obstacle for capitalism or entrepreneurship.  In some cases socialist ideas have resulted in fertile ground for capitalism to thrive.  The new deal opened up new areas and provided power to new places that allowed new businesses to thrive.  One thing big government can do that business can but doesn't because it is allergic to risk it genuinely huge projects.  Just think about the technologies gained from the space program and the Internet.

Well, so do Liberals, but here's the thing.......Liberals and Conservatives both want the same things, it's just that Liberals are more willing to be under-handed in their rhetoric, while Conservatives take a more straightforward approach. That's the only difference. Both ideologies can (and have) lead/led to overbearing governmental structures.