(November 13, 2011 at 11:39 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Yet again, you are failing to provide logical evidence either way.
The Xtian definition is set, and so you have that to address if you choose to, and you seem to be choosing to.
I addressed it but it seems to be incomprehensible to you. I addressed it by asking how we can know it is true. If we can't know it is true your argument fails there and then.
Quote: Through belief you can find out if it's true or not, and not in any other way. You either address the problem or don't. It matters not to me either way.
Aaah, we can know it's true not by establishing facts, but by "believing" it is true. Says who? With what authority?
Quote:There is sound rational basis there for you to consider. It is your choice to act upon that either way.
Belief that something is true is not sound rational basis to establish it is true.
Quote:Because your illogic defies it?
(November 13, 2011 at 11:12 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:You denying evidence =/= it not being there.Quote:You state that there isn't a god. A bold claim. On what evidence? A: Because you say so.
No, not because I say so but because there is no evidence to support the existence of god and no reason to believe in a creator either.
(November 13, 2011 at 11:12 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: no evidence = no god - I can state that reasonably boldly in a debate with a theist without worrying about being shown up.Yet here you are being shown up. The burden of proof is shouldered by anyone making a claim. You have made a strong claim that there is no God and then failed to show any rational support for that claim. I'm afraid the burden is still yours.
When somebody is telling you that no evidence to support that gods exists is NOT a rational reason to state that there are no gods, you've won.
Quote:Yet here you are suggesting that reality is in error
You make a lot of assumptions for your supposed non assumptive stance.
Your choice, given God or not given God, is to suffer the hell of doing bad stuff or live in heaven and do what's right. Those are scary words I know.
They aren't scary words, they are nothing words meaning nothing and based on superstitious belief, nothing more.
Quote: Reality will get you which ever way you decide to play it.
Reality got me years ago, I live in it and embrace it every day. You seem to be claiming that reality includes the invisible sky dude.