Mindfulness or Mindlessness?

[emjay]

I think that you don't give yourself enough credit. That there may be different forms of internal content that are all accurately described as consciousness is precisely the point. The dog scientists aren't wrong when they say we lack dognomenal content, just wrong when they decide that we aren't conscious on account of that. The human scientists may not be wrong when they say that a pzombie lacks phenomenal content - but they are wrong when they decide that they aren't conscious on account of that.

.....The pzombie may not be wrong when it says that the roomba lacks schmenomenal content.......

Each representative fails to see x in the next representatives mere processing. Each is convinced that some sort of sidestepping or conflation has occurred. None of them feel as though processing explains their content. This, however, doesn't amount to an explanatory gap. There's no actual hole in this rabbit hole. Only the perception of a hole precisely in line with the cognitive limitations and biases informing the question.

It's worth thinking about the next time we hear some explanation for some type of consciousness and say "no, no, that's processing, I'm talking about dognom...i mean...phenomenal states! How are they produced?" Well...processing...maybe.

This hasn't clarified anything either So yeah, let's just call it a day?, please. We had fun in the equivalent of this thread years back, but I'm just not in that headspace any more. Even that book I asked you to read was the first thing I'd read on that sort of subject for donkey's years. Talk of philosophy and logic is second nature to you guys, but though I may have been able to keep up before I can't any more. Each post that takes you minutes to write takes me hours to dissect and I just don't have the energy or capacity for that any more. So I'm sorry if I'm coming across as rude, I don't mean to, but I just can't do this. I'll ponder what you've said in time, and continue to read threads like this at my own slow pace, but I can't keep up with it as a discussion.