Covid 19 conspiracies dump

[Spongebob]

And then there is this... If these vaccines are so great then that would make Donald Trump the greatest leader of all time since these are his vaccines...
Trump is the one that got these vaccines going with "operation warp speed", dumping billions of dollars into it before they even finished trials which created a conflict of interests since they were heavily invested...
So if your claiming these vaccines are great then you are also claiming that Donald Trump is the greatest for making it happen
You can't have it both ways... LoL

Oh, but we can, Ronaldo.  Trump, of course, took most of the credit for developing these vaccines because that's what Trump does.  If he's even only 1% involved with something, he claims he was 100% responsible.  He even claims responsibility for things he had absolutely nothing to do with and of course he dismisses any total fuck ups that were 100% his.  So you can't put any stock in anything Trump says.

Nevertheless, I do credit Trump with at least not being an obstacle to the vaccine development, and he certainly could have done that, so kudos to him for not fucking it up.  But just how responsible was Trump?

"If I wasn't president, according to almost everybody, even the enemy — if I wasn't president, you wouldn't have a vaccine for five years," Trump said.

This is assuming a lot.  For one thing, it assumes that no other president would have initiated such a program, which is asinine.  By all accounts, Barak Obama was far more proactive than Trump.  Obama started to work the housing crisis before he was even elected while McCain sat there like a lump of wood.  It's more likely that Biden or Clinton would have reacted far earlier.  Remember that Trump initially dismissed the pandemic as a Democrat hoax and then he said it would just disappear when the weather warmed up.  And instead of promoting the vaccine to all of his worshipers after he lost re-election, he spent the entire time trying to subvert the election process and the Constitution to remain in power.  He spent 0% of his time and energy promoting his wonderful success as the key component in putting this virus to bed.  And who are the people resisting the vaccine?  Mostly his worshipers.

The speed of this vaccine development was dependent upon two things, mRNA technology and a total reinvention of clinical trials.  Money was a big factor in speeding up the clinical trials, but mRNA technology has been in the works for years.  This just happens to be the first opportunity to use it in such a way, so timing was a large factor there.  Trump had absolutely no impact on mRNA technology, so credit him zero for that.  But providing the funding and just basically staying out of the way after that, yes good job there, Mr. Orange.  But given that he initially didn't take the virus seriously, its evident that had no one convinced him otherwise, he was going to drive the entire country off a cliff.  The person who convinced Trump that the virus was a real threat is Neil Ferguson, OBE; you can look him up.  I submit that he deserves about 99% of the credit that Trump actually claims.

It's also worth noting that Pfizer wasn't even part of operation "warp speed".  It developed its vaccine on its own.

And anyway, it wouldn't matter if Trump himself had personally created the vaccine the White House basement.  You are just trying to conflate the success of the vaccine with Trump because you know how unpopular he is here.  That's a big dose of intellectual dishonesty and you know it.