RE: The meaninglessness of the Christian god concept
November 14, 2011 at 6:36 pm
(This post was last modified: November 14, 2011 at 6:47 pm by fr0d0.)
(November 14, 2011 at 3:29 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: we could be assured that a miracle that withstands scientific scrutiny is not the work of the Christian God.Absolutely correct. Kudos. Not for something from God to exist, but for something from God to exist [i]with a provable link to God, that[i/] would be illogical.
We can logically infer God, but removing the choice to believe in him would contradict the whole of the Xtian tradition.
(November 14, 2011 at 3:08 pm)Blam! Wrote: What is book? They're consist of papers, words and language - in which are a product of human culture. Dead Sea Scrolls are also one of human makings. The point is our creativity doesn't require god and we created the bible - despite the claims of bible as a God's word.They're ony words written on pieces of paper, collated and chosen amongst other words on other bits of paper. The question is do they collectively present a coherent proof of God. I would say that they do. They aren't magic, they're just a perfect answer to a problem. Not impossible to improve, no one could ever say that, but as good as we've got and completely viable.
(November 14, 2011 at 3:08 pm)Blam! Wrote: What is the evidence do you have can be logically deduced?The evidence which is presented in the bible and directly experienced.
(November 14, 2011 at 3:08 pm)Blam! Wrote: I don't think if the existence of god with basis of faith can be logically deduced.I do.
Faith explained:
Faith is being persuaded and fully committed in trust, involving a confident belief in the truth, value, and trustworthiness of God. When it comes to Christianity, 'faith' is defined by three separate but vitally connected aspects (especially from Luther and Melancthon onwards): notitia (informational content), assensus (intellectual assent), and fiducia (committed trust). So faith is the sum of having the information, being persuaded of its truthfulness, and trusting in it. To illustrate the three aspects: "Christ died for ours sins" (notitia); "I am persuaded that Christ died for our sins" (notitia + assensus); "I deeply commit in trust to Christ who I am persuaded died for our sins" (notitia + assensus + fiducia). Only the latter constitutes faith, on the Christian view.
