RE: The Ownership of Science
November 3, 2021 at 1:54 pm
(This post was last modified: November 3, 2021 at 2:08 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 3, 2021 at 11:28 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(November 3, 2021 at 11:03 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Not really, but if we have to argue What Is Words And How Do They Do!?! from the outset, your objections are almost certainly going to be inane.
Pretty simple, and simply inane. The universe isn't fine tuned for life. You're a puddle of water marveling at how perfectly the hole was made for you. Your hypothetical theist is wrong on the facts - and spouting speudoscientific claptrap, instead.
All I see are 3 opinions about generally accepts facts. Why is fine-tuning not a viable hypothesis? What exactly is your objection other than incredulity?
You too? Let that stand as a demonstration of why no one should ever give you the benefit of the doubt.
Three isn't an opinion about facts, it's a fact free misrepresentation of those facts - which it implicitly rejects. The earth isn't man shaped..people are earth shaped. The universe isn't earth shaped, earth is universe shaped. Are the faithful ever going to decide to stop dying on the hill of mere biology? Worse, it's not just wrong on the facts, which is to say that it;s premises are demonstrably not sound.. it's not even a valid inference on it's own merits. Is it worth torching whatever credibility you had with people who didn't think you were knuckle dragging loons already?
Either of you, at any point, could offer up a why, explain the thing that god is important to, to you..and I'd be happy to show you how to derive that same normative content without a fact free bullshit session. Like I keep mentioning, it's probably not likely that it can't be done any other way. If anyone wants to use science to establish their religious beliefs - they can do so - or at least attempt to do so... but that gets lost on people who tend to reject science, rather than employ it.
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