My own moral + ontological argument.

[Mystic]

I have an argument for God but a lot of it is based on premises that are disputable. I don't think if you don't believe in God already that you would be convinced of this argument.

The first premise is:

Morality to be real, needs an eternal basis.

What I mean by being real, is that it's not some delusion and it has truth, and it has objective truths. I would argue even more that even subjective wrong views of morality are not based on nothing, but also derive it from a moral intuition that is derived from an eternal reality.

Now to show this, premise to be true. Let's give a thought experiment. Suppose a Creator didn't have knowledge of everything and wanted to create the world. Is it possible that morality doesn't exist and he creates it? I would say that makes it arbitrary if he can just decide what morality is going to be. It wouldn't really be morality as we know it, because morality as we know it is not something that can just be made up. This thought experiment shows we deem to have an eternal existence.

The next premise is.

Morality is real.

I feel like this is something we can argue about because there is differences on moral issues, but I think at the end, people always feel a strong view on moral issues, even when they differ. This is a feeling that morality is real, and is not just what we want and how we feel about things. I believe we all intuitively see that morality is a real, and is not a delusion.

The next premise follows from that, "therefore an eternal basis exists".


Now I would make another premises morality includes moral greatness which includes infinite level of moral possible greatness. So the next premise is:

Moral greatness includes infinite possible levels of moral greatness.

The next premise is:

Ultimate Moral Greatness also needs an Eternal Basis.

The next premise is:

Eternal Basis needs full knowledge of Ultimate Moral Greatness to be eternal basis of it.

I think this intuitively correct. To be eternal basis to ultimate greatness, it must have knowledge of that greatness, whatever it maybe.

Only Ultimate Moral Greatness can have full comprehensive knowledge of Ultimate Greatness.

I think this an obvious fact as well, because everything else would not be able to encompass infinite levels of moral greatness and the absolute level. It would rather have a limited view.

The next premise is:

Ultimate Moral Greatness is therefore the Eternal basis to morality.

I can also make this argument:

Greatness needs eternal basis to be real.
Greatness includes infinite level of greatness.
Eternal basis must have comprehensive knowledge of infinite levels of greatness and ultimate level of greatness to be eternal basis.
Only Ultimate Greatness can have that knowledge.
Greatness is real.
Therefore Ultimate Greatness is real.

The other argument is summarized:

Morality needs eternal basis to be real.
Morality includes moral greatness which includes infinite possible levels.
Eternal Basis must have comprehensive knowledge of infinite possible levels of moral greatness and ultimate level of moral greatness to be eternal basis.
Only Ultimate Moral Greatness can have that knowledge.
Morality is real.
Therefore Ultimate Moral Greatness is real.

Ultimate Greatness/Ultimate Moral Greatness is God of course.