RE: The meaninglessness of the Christian god concept
November 17, 2011 at 5:45 am
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2011 at 5:48 am by Norfolk And Chance.)
(November 17, 2011 at 4:38 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Religion is based on empiricism? lol.
Oh dear. The fact that it is built on vague, misty, conveniently unprovable, other dimensional thoughts and feelings, is exactly why we don't believe you. Not our fault. It is time that your god (who is made up) stepped up to the mark and did something undisputable, material and in this realm. Argument over then.
According to the bible (which is partly made up, partly 10th hand stories and partly exaggeration) he can do this and has done this - conveniently 2,000 years ago when there were no reliable methods of recording stuff factually, and when people were gullible. The reason it happened so long ago, is because he is made up. The reason he's done nothing else since, is because he's made up. The reason he won't do anything now to prove himself is because he's made up. The reason his entire existence seems to boil down to (essentially) "I need you to believe in me and worship me" is because he is made up. The reason he is ridiculously contrary in the bible, and savage, is because he's made up.
The reason he is not empirically testable is because he is made up.
Quote:WE are a materialist culture. The ancient cultures of the middle east absolutely were not. A non spiritual world view was unheard of back then, everything was considered in relation to the supernatural, and it's only us with our materialist only POV that have to try and understand what they said in materialist terms. All the evidence supports this.
And that's why god is made up, you've answered it yourself. Everything was talked of in supernatural terms because they knew no better, not because it was true! You seem to be using this point to back up your claim but you are weakening it. They answered scientifically answerable queries with "goddidit" because they didn't have enough scientific understsanding and method.
Quote:Only a supernatural being can know empirically about supernatural reality... something it seems that 99% of atheists (including all the others participating in this thread) don't get. Well done on that point (pedantry unintended).
We can't know the supernatural empirically, but we can rationally deduce it non empirically. The aincients never described the spiritual empirically, and I'd like you to stump up examples of that.
Look, you've been blown apart with your babble about non empiral god. Of course they never gave examples of him empirically because you cannot empirically prove something you've made up!
Quote:Aincient peoples didn't always get it right, sure. We can dismiss them as myth.
The only useful thing you have ever said. Ever. Extend this to your made up, invisible, non empirical mate, and we're getting somewhere. Empirically of course
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
