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Why Why?
RE: Why Why?
(November 16, 2021 at 10:59 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote:
(November 16, 2021 at 4:00 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Order is generally believed to be an organized state, as opposed to disorder, a disorganized state.  A popular example being a puzzle complete, and a puzzle in pieces.  Another could be a tree, and loose fiber.
The puzzle is an artificial object.
For a tree, why would that be considered as order?
I assume by loose fiber, you mean that is an example of disorder, but why is that disorder?
Like asking why a wheel is a wheel.  Are you actually having trouble here?  Order and disorder are the underlying premises of the second law of thermodynamics.  

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(November 16, 2021 at 4:00 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I was wondering about the whys of why outside of mortality and our attempts to evade it - since it was mentioned.

Do you mean why we say that asking Why questions doesn’t make sense and we should actually ask How?
I'm responding to objections to purpose which round down to "that's just us inventing things because we fear death".  Well, sure, we do that, but that doesn't explain why (or how..if you prefer) it turns out that alot of ideas about purpose lead to us willingly giving up our lives.  

Quote:I guess calling one order and the other disorder is a matter of convention, sort of how it was decided to call one type of charge positive and the other one is negative.

In the case of order, one configuration might be called order and the thousands of other configurations are called disorder. There is an imbalance.
Yeah, the convention of giving observations terms so that we can discuss what we see in specificity.   That there are many more actual and potential disordered states than ordered ones, and that some processes create local order while increasing global entropy.  Like our metabolism - which breaks down ordered things into disordered components to maintain our ordered cells...which is the difference between you being alive and human, and you being dead and compost.

Quote:5. No gods. Only nature.
There is evidence that nature exists but it is a brainless thing. There is no way to have a conversation with it.

You had written “I'd add drinking coffee”
but how can we determine that is a purpose assigned by nature to you?

Was I able to properly answer you or did I miss something?

This category, 5, is the only category I'm entertaining when it comes to the possibility of human purpose and the validity of a given answer to human purpose.  I don't actually think that the rest are even possibilities.  Obviously, theists disagree, but I'm really not going to spend much time on the notion that some fourteen hundred year old god created a fourteen billion year old universe...because...frankly, even if it did, that wouldn't mean that an accurate description of human purpose had anything to do with these gods or that human purpose was exhausted by the set of god-purpose.  

I suppose we could say that nature assigns a purpose, and if it did, a study of the animal could yield insight on that purpose, but it does imply agency..which isn't something that you or I believe nature has in any meaningful sense.  With respect to natural purpose..it might be more accurate to say that we discover it or apprehend it.  I certainly wasn't born with any feeling of purpose, and I can remember a time not too long ago where I was still trying to figure out what it was, or what I was going to put my own effort into in the set of things we consider purpose.  I'm always looking, still..constantly reassessing, too.  Looking for better ways to serve that purpose and at least now and then doubting that I have it in me to accomplish it (and sometimes..even, to try).  

That's just my experience, though.  On the one hand I have this apprehension..and on the other,I find it difficult to believe that people assign no more or less truth value to their own ideas about the purpose of their own life than they do to things they believe to be false or, at least, don't believe to be true. None of my own apprehensions or questions have anything to do with gods whatsoever..and so, like objections to an answer based out of the fear of our own mortality, god-objections just aren't applicable.

I'm not wondering about..or even talking about, gods. Their only relationship to purpose in mere reality is as a narrative vehicle for descriptions of purpose. Those descriptions will either stand or fall on their own merits, regardless of the existence of the gods referenced.
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Why Why? - by slartibartfast - November 5, 2021 at 3:36 am
RE: Why Why? - by Silver - November 5, 2021 at 3:42 am
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RE: Why Why? - by brewer - November 5, 2021 at 7:01 am
RE: Why Why? - by slartibartfast - November 5, 2021 at 7:14 am
RE: Why Why? - by Ferrocyanide - November 12, 2021 at 2:07 pm
RE: Why Why? - by brewer - November 12, 2021 at 2:20 pm
RE: Why Why? - by Alan V - November 12, 2021 at 2:35 pm
RE: Why Why? - by brewer - November 12, 2021 at 6:20 pm
RE: Why Why? - by Alan V - November 12, 2021 at 8:44 pm
RE: Why Why? - by Ferrocyanide - November 12, 2021 at 11:20 pm
RE: Why Why? - by brewer - November 13, 2021 at 7:56 am
RE: Why Why? - by Ferrocyanide - November 13, 2021 at 1:29 pm
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RE: Why Why? - by Ferrocyanide - November 14, 2021 at 12:49 pm
RE: Why Why? - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2021 at 7:07 am
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RE: Why Why? - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2021 at 9:03 am
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RE: Why Why? - by The Grand Nudger - November 7, 2021 at 10:08 pm
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RE: Why Why? - by slartibartfast - November 8, 2021 at 5:35 am
RE: Why Why? - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2021 at 9:51 am
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RE: Why Why? - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2021 at 10:09 am
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RE: Why Why? - by Ahriman - November 8, 2021 at 1:29 pm
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RE: Why Why? - by Oldandeasilyconfused - November 12, 2021 at 10:59 pm
RE: Why Why? - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2021 at 4:02 pm
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RE: Why Why? - by Silver - November 9, 2021 at 9:25 pm
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RE: Why Why? - by Ferrocyanide - November 13, 2021 at 2:44 pm
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RE: Why Why? - by slartibartfast - November 15, 2021 at 2:32 pm
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RE: Why Why? - by Ferrocyanide - November 15, 2021 at 10:28 pm
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RE: Why Why? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2021 at 4:00 am
RE: Why Why? - by Ferrocyanide - November 16, 2021 at 10:59 am
RE: Why Why? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2021 at 11:31 am
RE: Why Why? - by Ferrocyanide - November 16, 2021 at 1:29 pm
RE: Why Why? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2021 at 1:55 pm
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