RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false
January 6, 2022 at 11:24 am
(This post was last modified: January 6, 2022 at 11:33 am by WinterHold.)
(January 5, 2022 at 1:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(January 5, 2022 at 1:09 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Of course it is a huge sin, and falls under this category from the verse I quoted:
Is counterfeiting and lying about anything considered "speaking with justice" ?
But a nonbeliever doesn't believe in God; so promises of damnation after death shouldn't bother them, if they really "didn't believe in anything".
You persist in missing the point. God, via his threat of punishment, is attempting to compel people into believing. So, the statement ‘there is no compulsion is religion’ is utter bollocks (it is immaterial the the compulsion doesn’t work on non-believers). Furthermore, nothing in the scriptures you quoted says or implies that the punishment will take place after the apostate dies.
This tactic is by no means unique to Islam.
Boru
God is not "attempting" to compel; he is stating a fact. When I tell someone "if you cease to eat you'll die"; or "if you drown you'll suffer and die", I'm simply stating a fact.
So, if one doesn't believe in God; they will end up in hell. It's not a threat but a fact.
It's compulsion when orders are given to "humans" to make you a believer "by force".
(January 5, 2022 at 8:22 pm)Astreja Wrote:(January 5, 2022 at 1:09 pm)WinterHold Wrote: But a nonbeliever doesn't believe in God; so promises of damnation after death shouldn't bother them, if they really "didn't believe in anything."
No one likes being threatened, Winter, and to be on the receiving end of a threat generally results in an unhealthy physical reaction as the neuroendocrine system in the body reacts to it.
I hold you personally responsible for uttering threats. You, not your hypothetical god.
I hate threats also. But if a Viking came to me and told me: "you'll never enter Valhalla for being a Muslim", I'll tell him: ok...and move on, Astreja ! because I don't believe in Viking religion in the first place !
That's the whole point of the Quran never ordering compulsion in the acceptance of religion. But the Hadith on the other hand does; so ask yourself: who's threatening you in this life? believers in the Quran; or Sunni & Shiite fanatics?
