(January 6, 2022 at 12:02 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(January 6, 2022 at 10:58 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (Bold mine)
I refer you to this, posted earlier by Winter:
Boru
I think you're aware by now that Winter prays 3 times a day, unlike any other Muslim on earth. This means you really have to take whatever this loon utters about the Qur'an with a grain of salt.
The verse above contains the label "disbelieve" which is unfortunately a mistranslation, the word in the original verse in Arabic is actually kafir:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafir
which precisely means someone who rejects Islam despite being convinced of its truth . Not all apostates fit this definition, they rejected it maybe for sincere reasons.
(January 6, 2022 at 10:59 am)Angrboda Wrote: Did God tell anyone anything that is in the Quran or the hadith? No. So it's not God doing anything, is it?
I am just pointing out that there is nothing inherently immoral about God telling someone not to do something.
(January 6, 2022 at 11:24 am)WinterHold Wrote: God is not "attempting" to compel; he is stating a fact. When I tell someone "if you cease to eat you'll die"; or "if you drown you'll suffer and die", I'm simply stating a fact.
So, if one doesn't believe in God; they will end up in hell. It's not a threat but a fact.
God did threaten with punishment in the Qur'an:
Quote: "God bids you beware of Him (in other translations: And Allah cautions you against His retribution.), though compassionate is God to His votaries." (3:30)
http://2pm.co/demo/2500/3/30/
And no one really can complain, OFC.
You seem to spend a great deal of time telling us that your holy book doesn’t mean what it says. Are you SURE you’re not a Christian?
Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
