Occupy wallstreet demands

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If that's the case, there isn't something that you, or anyone else can do about it.
Unless you inject more and more money into the economy that will pay for the people who work to earn that money, and if those workers actually allow the employer to actually earn some profits, only then, you'll have some sort of a permanent job.
And that's one big if.
There is nothing, nothing that the government, or banks can do to help you find a job, unless the government opens government owned enterprises, which gives jobs to qualified people that want work.
Of course, you might not earn as much as in the private sector maybe, but at least you have a permanent job(unless the government decides on privatizing it).

That's not true. Now you are being overly simplistic. You do not necessarily need money to create jobs. You need demand.

Well, if you work in such a highly specialized branch, like enough to get you without a job for a long long time since there are no alternatives you can apply to...But the downhill of a single company, or business cannot actually render you without the possibility of finding a job ever.

You typically do not have specialized education that is not coupled with a broader education. It is very good to have specialized knowledge. In my field, it is the best way to make money. When I said "business" in that context, I meant in the larger scale of the word. An industry.

You're not talking based on any data or facts.

Yes, I am. If you look at the most impoverished cities in the United States, there was typically a booming industry that all of a sudden collapsed, leaving all of the people who lived there jobless. The effects last decades or more.

It's highly unlikely that the demand for historians is going to rise up any time soon, or the demand for engineers is going downhill.

I never said it was, but having a history degree is not a bad thing right now. You can be a consultant for film and television. You can make documentaries. You can have a blog. You can have a book or two, etc. Being a historian is actually not as dead end as you might think.

Engineers are used in a variety of fields, most of which are too important for our society to actually allow for you to stand there, doing nothing.
At least that's the case for developed countries.

Yeah, and if your country goes broke, you're fucked.

Okay..But you see, that's a dead end. There isn't really something that can be done.

Of course there is. Societies are ever changing things, kilic. There are no dead ends.

Yes, and they are also credit cards in their own right.

I thought that credit cards are only cards that use the money of the bank which you pay off later with interest. I mean, we use the word for credit cards to denote such ones. Not the ones that access your own deposits in the bank.
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Both are credit cards, in a way. I can use my bank card as a credit card. I have a line of credit with my bank. I pay off my credit cards and my bank cards without a problem. My point is that I HAVE TO use the bank.

You mean you do not have the money available?

No, kilic. I have said it like four times. You can only purchase certain things using a credit card or a bank card with a credit option. I cannot use cash to rent a car, a house, a room, etc. My clients cannot pay me without a bank account. I cannot pay some of my bills without a bank account. Quit dwelling on the credit part and remember why we are discussing this and that is because you said that people choose to use banks. I have no other option, therefore, it is not a choice.

I seriously doubt that the people at OWS know it themselves.
If it were just because the banks were bailed out from the crisis, they should have done it back then.

You keep ignoring half of my points. You said they do not have jobs. Plenty of them do. It is not just about banks being bailed out and yes, they know why they are there. How can you think you know more about what they are doing than they do themselves? It's arrogant.

The USA is not some sort of a banana state. I thought that the law has word there.

It does, but you seem to think a lot of things about the U.S. that just are not correct. FOX News, right?

But since the state laws cannot actually subdue federal laws, how do you actually expect different results?

It can defy it and does often. At any rate, the different result would come from stemming the federal government. Are you paying attention?

Well, what exactly are the limits you have in mind?

The ones I already mentioned.

Well, what exactly did they do with it?

Google it. There were too many companies and too much bullshit for me to outline it all here. An example would be giving bonuses to already wealthy employees or spending money on play time.

Well, not much. It's you, who vote for them. On paper, everyone can become a candidate. However, these have the time and money to publicize themselves. Why doesn't anyone else ask themselves the question, why are our politicians made up from business owners?
Well,you are all pondering on issues like abortion, that's probably why.
And about the stance of your business owning politicians who probably couldn't give a damn if some teen-mom in a depraved neighborhood gets her baby sucked out of her.

Kilic, there seems to be a major bridge here that I do not have time to cross. You do not understand that I do not vote for them and that, most of the time, they are lying through their teeth when they are trying to get votes. We're obviously not pondering issues like abortion if you and I are sitting here talking about a U.S. movement regarding the issues we speak of that went global. Duh.