[Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false

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Loss of one's freedom is indeed punishment.  Forcing a thief to pay restitution for the theft is better, in my opinion.

That's precisely the problem, isn't it? Everybody has an opinion about how best to punish a thief. Again, don't you think it's even better to listen to the wise opinion of an OMNISCIENT being?

OK let's assume that. It doesn't mean allah is not a total cunt, does it?

Let me know when an omniscient being actually shows up, Klorophyll.  (Hint:  Stories about omniscient beings don't count.)

This is not a thread about proving theism. For the purpose of this thread, assume there is an omniscient being, now would you rather follow your opinion or the commands of the purported omniscient being?

Until you made it so.

No, no, a thousand times no.  To think in terms like "must be horrible" is to succumb to childish, primitive and simplistic ideas of justice that do vastly more harm than good.

Punishing a handful of thieves according to Islamic law will drastically decrease the occurence of robbery/burglary given the harsh nature of the punishment. That's the point of Islamic law, after all.

Yup, I agree. The point of islamic so called law is barbarism.

A proper punishment is one that corrects the problem in the simplest way possible without causing other problems.  

Thank you, excellent definition. The simplest way to stop a thief from stealing: cut off the hands he steals property with. This way, he won't cause more problems to other members of society. And one man's inability to work (oh, and thieves aren't motivated to work, in general) is outweighed by the overall decrease of thievery as a result of enforcing Islamic law. It seems Islamic law fits your definition perfectly. Again, thanks!

Nope. If that were true, there would be no theft to punish anymore in your barbaric society.

  A man deprived of one or both hands becomes a burden upon society because he can no longer work.  The goal of rehabilitation and restitution has been abandoned in favour of atavistic bloodlust, the very antithesis of justice.

A man in jail is also a burden for society, the cost of incarceration is very high, too. Again, enforcing a harsh punishment will cause an overall decrease of thievery because it's dissuasive. Prison time isn't dissuasive.

Apparently, cutting hands off isn't either, since you barbarians still have thieves.

Harsh and horrible, wasnt it? But isn't a proper punishment supposed to be horrible? Considering that Damiens most probably knew about Ravaillac, but still attempted regicide, maybe Ravaillacs punisment wasnt horrible proper enough?

I said harsh and horrible, not psychopatic or sadistic. One can think of all kinds of inventive ways to punish a human being, after all. It's good to know that cutting a thief's hand is not applied in all circumstances. Someone stealing food because otherwise he will die of hunger won't get his hands cut off, according to Islamic jurisprudence. The harsh penalty of cutting hands is only for those who didn't really need to steal and could've found a legit source of income.

So cut off all the Saud dynasties hands. All of them have their hands in the cookie jar.

You are invited get yourself sent to prison. Then - and only then - will you be able to decide whether or not prison is punishment.

Boru

I have a TV screen and an internet connection, you know. I know what prisons look like from the inside. I also know for a fact that some prisons are extremely comfortable.

A criminal suffering from inhumane conditions at Bastoy Prison, Norway:

Norway? WTF has that to do with the US?

The average recidivism rate in the U.S. is a startling 43%. They don't seem to have learnt much now do they?

Sure, because the US has a cruel prison system. But what is the recidivism rate in Norway? 20%. Norway seems to have learned something, no?

Fuck off with your massive strawman.