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Modal ontological argument
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RE: Modal ontological argument
Premise 2 can't simply refer to logical possibility because that doesn't imply metaphysical possibility. Premise 1 has to refer to logical possibility otherwise there's no reason to even accept it. There's either an equivocation going on or nothing interesting is being said at all. We can accept 1 as trivially true if we're charitable but then premise 2 comes out just plain silly. And if we make premise 1 something stronger, and say that such a thing is metaphysically possible, rather than merely logically possible, then premise 2 is redundant, uninformative, uninteresting, trivial, tautologous, vacuous, etc—and then the question is just begged right from the outset. There's no reason to think that God is metaphysically possible. That's just assuming the conclusion. It begs the question.

Don't need to even bother looking at the other premises when the first two fail so horribly right from the outset.

William Lane Craig is just a skilled sophist and experienced Gish-galloper. But anybody even half decent at philosophy can deal with him very easily. Even if the audience falls for him, those smarter who know better won't. As George Carlin said: People are fucking stupid.
Schopenhauer Wrote:The intellect has become free, and in this state it does not even know or understand any other interest than that of truth.

Epicurus Wrote:The greatest reward of righteousness is peace of mind.

Epicurus Wrote:Don't fear god,
Don't worry about death;

What is good is easy to get,

What is terrible is easy to endure
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Modal ontological argument - by Fake Messiah - February 1, 2022 at 10:43 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by HappySkeptic - February 1, 2022 at 10:51 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Mister Agenda - February 1, 2022 at 11:28 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Deesse23 - February 1, 2022 at 11:47 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by brewer - February 1, 2022 at 1:36 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Nay_Sayer - February 1, 2022 at 1:57 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2022 at 2:56 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by polymath257 - February 1, 2022 at 3:17 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by HappySkeptic - February 1, 2022 at 3:27 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2022 at 3:32 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 1, 2022 at 3:50 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by polymath257 - February 2, 2022 at 9:09 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by HappySkeptic - February 1, 2022 at 3:52 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by vulcanlogician - February 1, 2022 at 8:22 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by GrandizerII - February 2, 2022 at 5:08 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Fake Messiah - February 2, 2022 at 5:57 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Neo-Scholastic - February 1, 2022 at 8:49 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by vulcanlogician - February 1, 2022 at 8:53 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Neo-Scholastic - February 1, 2022 at 10:27 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Belacqua - February 1, 2022 at 10:45 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Fake Messiah - February 2, 2022 at 1:23 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2022 at 9:38 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Architect Of Fate - February 1, 2022 at 10:42 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 2, 2022 at 6:12 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by GrandizerII - February 2, 2022 at 8:27 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Jehanne - February 2, 2022 at 9:01 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Disagreeable - February 2, 2022 at 9:08 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Jehanne - February 2, 2022 at 7:41 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Neo-Scholastic - February 2, 2022 at 10:04 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Disagreeable - February 2, 2022 at 8:21 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Jehanne - February 2, 2022 at 8:25 am
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RE: Modal ontological argument - by polymath257 - February 2, 2022 at 10:05 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Mister Agenda - February 2, 2022 at 10:30 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Jehanne - February 2, 2022 at 10:50 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by GrandizerII - February 2, 2022 at 10:52 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2022 at 12:06 pm
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RE: Modal ontological argument - by Jehanne - February 2, 2022 at 5:31 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by R00tKiT - February 2, 2022 at 5:42 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Jehanne - February 2, 2022 at 5:44 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2022 at 3:07 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by R00tKiT - February 2, 2022 at 3:41 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Fake Messiah - February 2, 2022 at 4:01 pm
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RE: Modal ontological argument - by Angrboda - February 2, 2022 at 4:47 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Jehanne - February 2, 2022 at 5:15 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2022 at 4:11 pm
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RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2022 at 4:16 pm
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RE: Modal ontological argument - by Ranjr - February 2, 2022 at 4:19 pm
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RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2022 at 5:25 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by R00tKiT - February 2, 2022 at 5:28 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by polymath257 - February 2, 2022 at 5:32 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by R00tKiT - February 2, 2022 at 5:38 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2022 at 5:27 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2022 at 5:31 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by R00tKiT - February 2, 2022 at 5:37 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Jehanne - February 2, 2022 at 5:46 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by polymath257 - February 3, 2022 at 9:49 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Jehanne - February 3, 2022 at 12:17 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Deesse23 - February 3, 2022 at 1:16 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Jehanne - February 3, 2022 at 2:14 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by brewer - February 3, 2022 at 2:23 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2022 at 5:38 pm
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RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2022 at 5:44 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by R00tKiT - February 2, 2022 at 5:54 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Jehanne - February 2, 2022 at 6:11 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Angrboda - February 2, 2022 at 5:46 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2022 at 5:55 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2022 at 6:12 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by R00tKiT - February 2, 2022 at 6:58 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Jehanne - February 2, 2022 at 7:28 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by brewer - February 2, 2022 at 7:29 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Angrboda - February 2, 2022 at 9:51 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Belacqua - February 2, 2022 at 10:23 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by brewer - February 2, 2022 at 10:26 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Jehanne - February 2, 2022 at 10:27 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Angrboda - February 3, 2022 at 6:56 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Jehanne - February 3, 2022 at 7:05 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Angrboda - February 2, 2022 at 6:14 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2022 at 10:21 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by HappySkeptic - February 3, 2022 at 10:28 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Ranjr - February 4, 2022 at 12:10 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Fake Messiah - February 4, 2022 at 1:01 am
RE: Modal ontological argument - by HappySkeptic - February 4, 2022 at 12:38 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by The Grand Nudger - February 4, 2022 at 1:11 pm
RE: Modal ontological argument - by Disagreeable - February 4, 2022 at 9:38 pm



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