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WLC: "You can't prove the negative"
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RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative"
(February 16, 2022 at 9:48 pm)Foxaire Wrote: The issue seems to be that philosophers erroneously believe mathematical proof statements are knowledge statements.

No, it was philosophers who worked out what constitutes proof in the first place. And what is the difference between mathematical statements and other types. It's true that some philosophers are fuzzy on this, because some of them are not very good philosophers.

The error here was made by Fake Messiah. I'm not sure he would be happy to be called a philosopher.

(February 16, 2022 at 9:32 pm)Jehanne Wrote: By reasonable standards that everyone, believers included, live their lives by, there is no monster in Loch Ness.

Yes, I think it's often been pointed out that the word "proof" has a strict sense and an everyday sense.

The former is only for mathematics and other purely logical issues. That's why people will sometimes remind us that science doesn't deal in proof. 

Of course in the everyday sense we prove negatives all the time. In such cases, "proof" means something like "this has been demonstrated sufficiently so that every reasonable person would agree." 

So Craig is correct in what he says both about T. Rexes and married bachelors.



Messages In This Thread
WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Fake Messiah - February 16, 2022 at 7:18 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by The Valkyrie - February 16, 2022 at 7:20 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Anomalocaris - February 19, 2022 at 10:37 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Fake Messiah - February 16, 2022 at 10:23 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 16, 2022 at 11:11 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Peebo-Thuhlu - February 16, 2022 at 7:57 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by GrandizerII - February 16, 2022 at 8:58 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 16, 2022 at 11:22 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Neo-Scholastic - February 17, 2022 at 12:20 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 17, 2022 at 12:53 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 16, 2022 at 3:22 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by polymath257 - February 17, 2022 at 9:36 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 17, 2022 at 2:12 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Ranjr - February 16, 2022 at 3:37 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 16, 2022 at 8:51 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 16, 2022 at 9:32 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Cavalry - February 16, 2022 at 10:02 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 16, 2022 at 10:25 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Cavalry - February 17, 2022 at 5:16 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 17, 2022 at 6:01 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Cavalry - February 17, 2022 at 6:48 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 17, 2022 at 7:14 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Deesse23 - February 17, 2022 at 8:16 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Neo-Scholastic - February 17, 2022 at 10:31 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by polymath257 - February 17, 2022 at 10:48 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Deesse23 - February 17, 2022 at 12:29 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 17, 2022 at 8:32 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Cavalry - February 17, 2022 at 8:48 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Silver - February 17, 2022 at 8:56 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 17, 2022 at 9:23 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Cavalry - February 17, 2022 at 9:40 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 17, 2022 at 10:36 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 17, 2022 at 10:42 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Neo-Scholastic - February 17, 2022 at 10:53 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 18, 2022 at 12:36 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by arewethereyet - February 17, 2022 at 9:05 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Silver - February 16, 2022 at 9:48 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 16, 2022 at 9:54 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Fake Messiah - February 16, 2022 at 10:40 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 17, 2022 at 8:46 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by DLJ - February 17, 2022 at 5:22 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Pat Mustard - February 17, 2022 at 1:48 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 17, 2022 at 11:29 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Deesse23 - February 18, 2022 at 3:03 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Silver - February 18, 2022 at 12:33 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 18, 2022 at 1:19 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 18, 2022 at 8:43 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by GrandizerII - February 18, 2022 at 1:25 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 18, 2022 at 8:17 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Neo-Scholastic - February 19, 2022 at 1:52 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by emjay - February 19, 2022 at 10:23 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Neo-Scholastic - February 19, 2022 at 3:00 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 19, 2022 at 3:16 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by polymath257 - February 20, 2022 at 12:05 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by emjay - February 19, 2022 at 8:33 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Angrboda - February 19, 2022 at 11:39 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 19, 2022 at 11:47 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by polymath257 - February 18, 2022 at 8:46 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Peebo-Thuhlu - February 18, 2022 at 1:43 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by LadyForCamus - February 18, 2022 at 2:03 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 18, 2022 at 9:32 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 18, 2022 at 11:39 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by GrandizerII - February 19, 2022 at 2:27 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 19, 2022 at 6:51 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 19, 2022 at 8:01 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 19, 2022 at 3:20 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by LadyForCamus - February 19, 2022 at 2:32 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 19, 2022 at 3:33 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Neo-Scholastic - February 20, 2022 at 12:15 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by emjay - February 20, 2022 at 11:12 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 20, 2022 at 6:08 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by polymath257 - February 20, 2022 at 10:50 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Silver - February 19, 2022 at 2:03 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 19, 2022 at 8:11 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 19, 2022 at 8:33 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 19, 2022 at 8:43 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 19, 2022 at 8:49 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 19, 2022 at 8:59 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by The Grand Nudger - February 19, 2022 at 9:02 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 19, 2022 at 9:23 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by The Grand Nudger - February 19, 2022 at 3:23 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by LadyForCamus - February 19, 2022 at 5:12 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by emjay - February 19, 2022 at 5:28 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by The Grand Nudger - February 21, 2022 at 9:53 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Disagreeable - February 23, 2022 at 5:56 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by GrandizerII - February 23, 2022 at 7:37 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Disagreeable - February 24, 2022 at 1:06 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 24, 2022 at 2:53 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Belacqua - February 23, 2022 at 8:01 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 23, 2022 at 8:06 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Neo-Scholastic - February 24, 2022 at 12:28 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 24, 2022 at 6:36 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Fake Messiah - February 24, 2022 at 1:17 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 24, 2022 at 5:31 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by polymath257 - February 24, 2022 at 6:13 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Deesse23 - February 25, 2022 at 3:26 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Neo-Scholastic - February 25, 2022 at 8:15 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Jehanne - February 25, 2022 at 9:57 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by The Grand Nudger - February 24, 2022 at 12:43 am
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by The Grand Nudger - February 24, 2022 at 5:36 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Anomalocaris - February 25, 2022 at 8:38 pm
RE: WLC: "You can't prove the negative" - by Sheldon - May 29, 2025 at 3:10 pm

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