[split] Ethics - parental responsibility re: children

[The Grand Nudger]

@Ahriman
Show your work. It should be easy, you'll only require a single competent argument, as I make no distinction between the morally correct and the logically correct. You can get away with half the effort. As convenience would have it, anti natalism is also a realist ethical position, just like mine.
@Rev. Rye
I wouldn't exactly point to their example as competent moral agents in this regard. I meant that you could find broad agreement between anti natalists and people who reject the anti natalist position - that there are some things you should be prepared to do if you plan on having a child. It's not a controversial opinion, and it's not the anti-natalist position, anyway. Similarly, it's not disputed between anti natalists and people who reject the anti natalist position that a person can be, might be, or even is, a shitty candidate for parenthood. This is also not the anti-natalist position, and can't even approach a demonstration of it's accuracy.

It's bound to cause pain and misery, even amongst some good parent candidates, that abortion is a unilateral option. That's an unfortunate consequence of biology, but unavoidable if we wish to prevent an even greater real and potential harm. That we can understand this and even organize our laws to respect this fact of mere reality is a handy demonstration that not everything in life is or has to be a raging dumpster fire. It's not hard to find the less than shitty origins of our shitty behavior, which, I think, is a tip of the hat to some anti natalist positions themselves. For balance.