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Illegal downloading
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RE: Illegal downloading
(June 22, 2009 at 5:16 pm)Meatball Wrote:
="Kyu Wrote:Just out of curiosity, if someone left a whole bunch of paintings that they had stolen from an art gallery in a public place would you pick one up and walk off with it?

A digital copy of a recording of a song is not the same as an original painting, and you know that. Who's looking for the missing copy of 'Yakety Sax' I downloaded last week? I made several more copies on my PC, is that hurting some record store's inventory?

No I don't ... aside from multiple copies, I don't see the difference at all. Maybe you think it's OK to steal a little bit of the hypothetical painting then?



(June 22, 2009 at 8:08 pm)padraic Wrote: With respect,that argument is a rationalisation of dishonesty.You acknowledge the ownership ,but discount it because it's in your interest to do so or because your dishonesty is a matter of degree. The positions is disingenuous and immoral.

Agreed.



(June 23, 2009 at 12:06 pm)Tiberius Wrote: This is assuming Meatball would have purchased the album if he had not been able to download it.

That is a point I agree but it doesn't make it right and seems to assume he doesn't make it available by either passing on to people on some kind of physical media or participates by re-sharing it (which of course on peer-to-peer he will already have done even if he stopped it immediately after).

As I said earlier I'm no angel but at least I recognize the simple fact that downloading and uploading things that I have no license to is a crime (and should be because the author should have the right to decide what is done with his or her possession until he/she grants that right to others).

In essence if you download (or use) music, videos, text to which you have no legal right you are committing crime (you are a criminal) at least in the UK and most other westernised nations.



(June 23, 2009 at 1:54 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: What I disagree with is the notion that no-one gets harmed by downloading illegally. A performer and recording studio only make money from the material that is actually sold by whatever means through legal channels, not the stuff that is gotten from somewhere else. Now you might say that your downloads are just a drop in the bucket, but with a million drops a day that bucket fills up quite fast.

Again agreed.

Kyu
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Illegal downloading - by Rockthatpiano06 - June 20, 2009 at 10:10 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by chatpilot - June 20, 2009 at 11:08 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Rockthatpiano06 - June 20, 2009 at 11:11 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Overmars - June 20, 2009 at 11:19 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by chatpilot - June 20, 2009 at 12:55 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Overmars - June 20, 2009 at 2:50 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Samson - June 20, 2009 at 12:59 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Rockthatpiano06 - June 20, 2009 at 1:17 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Samson - June 20, 2009 at 7:07 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Darwinian - June 20, 2009 at 1:51 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by chatpilot - June 20, 2009 at 2:04 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Darwinian - June 20, 2009 at 2:13 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by chatpilot - June 20, 2009 at 2:39 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Darwinian - June 20, 2009 at 3:01 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Rockthatpiano06 - June 20, 2009 at 2:43 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Overmars - June 20, 2009 at 2:58 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by chatpilot - June 20, 2009 at 2:56 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by chatpilot - June 20, 2009 at 3:03 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by leo-rcc - June 20, 2009 at 4:26 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 20, 2009 at 4:29 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by fr0d0 - June 20, 2009 at 5:50 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 21, 2009 at 2:52 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Rockthatpiano06 - June 20, 2009 at 7:40 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Samson - June 20, 2009 at 7:52 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by padraic - June 20, 2009 at 9:15 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Samson - June 20, 2009 at 10:35 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Dotard - June 20, 2009 at 11:38 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Overmars - June 21, 2009 at 2:39 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Samson - June 21, 2009 at 2:03 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Overmars - June 22, 2009 at 1:14 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by fr0d0 - June 21, 2009 at 6:01 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 21, 2009 at 7:40 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Meatball - June 21, 2009 at 5:15 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 22, 2009 at 4:14 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by padraic - June 22, 2009 at 5:50 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Meatball - June 22, 2009 at 5:16 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Dotard - June 23, 2009 at 8:48 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 24, 2009 at 2:36 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Meatball - June 24, 2009 at 3:02 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 24, 2009 at 3:24 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - June 22, 2009 at 6:01 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by padraic - June 22, 2009 at 8:08 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - June 23, 2009 at 12:06 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Rockthatpiano06 - June 23, 2009 at 1:11 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Samson - June 23, 2009 at 1:17 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by leo-rcc - June 23, 2009 at 1:54 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Samson - June 23, 2009 at 4:48 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - June 24, 2009 at 4:29 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 24, 2009 at 4:43 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - June 24, 2009 at 4:49 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 24, 2009 at 4:56 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - June 24, 2009 at 5:04 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 24, 2009 at 5:09 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - June 24, 2009 at 5:35 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 25, 2009 at 1:49 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Meatball - June 25, 2009 at 12:18 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Samson - June 25, 2009 at 2:43 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 25, 2009 at 3:01 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Meatball - June 25, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 25, 2009 at 4:49 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - June 26, 2009 at 1:50 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Meatball - June 25, 2009 at 6:10 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 26, 2009 at 3:28 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - June 25, 2009 at 11:45 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by LukeMC - June 26, 2009 at 9:10 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Samson - June 26, 2009 at 1:25 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Rob - June 26, 2009 at 2:25 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - June 26, 2009 at 3:50 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 26, 2009 at 3:57 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - June 26, 2009 at 4:07 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 26, 2009 at 4:09 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - June 26, 2009 at 4:17 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Meatball - June 26, 2009 at 5:27 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 26, 2009 at 5:57 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Samson - June 26, 2009 at 7:27 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by padraic - June 26, 2009 at 9:05 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 27, 2009 at 4:36 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by padraic - June 27, 2009 at 8:15 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 27, 2009 at 12:36 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Rob - June 27, 2009 at 6:49 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by padraic - June 28, 2009 at 3:01 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Samson - June 28, 2009 at 2:52 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by padraic - June 28, 2009 at 7:50 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Meatball - June 29, 2009 at 10:07 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - June 29, 2009 at 2:25 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Giff - July 8, 2009 at 10:20 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Overmars - July 8, 2009 at 10:39 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - July 8, 2009 at 10:28 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by leo-rcc - July 8, 2009 at 10:35 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - July 8, 2009 at 10:38 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by leo-rcc - July 8, 2009 at 12:47 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Samson - July 8, 2009 at 12:03 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Armitando - September 3, 2009 at 7:21 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by padraic - September 4, 2009 at 2:47 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by dry land fish - September 3, 2009 at 9:35 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by fr0d0 - September 3, 2009 at 9:41 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Violet - September 4, 2009 at 3:14 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Retorth - September 4, 2009 at 5:59 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Darwinian - September 4, 2009 at 6:15 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Retorth - September 4, 2009 at 6:37 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by UpNorth - September 4, 2009 at 1:25 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 1:26 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Violet - September 4, 2009 at 1:34 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 1:35 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Darwinian - September 4, 2009 at 1:37 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - September 4, 2009 at 1:39 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 1:46 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - September 4, 2009 at 1:47 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by binny - September 4, 2009 at 1:50 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 1:50 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - September 4, 2009 at 1:56 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Violet - September 4, 2009 at 1:56 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Kyuuketsuki - September 4, 2009 at 1:57 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Violet - September 4, 2009 at 1:57 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by binny - September 4, 2009 at 1:58 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 2:01 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by binny - September 4, 2009 at 2:05 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Violet - September 4, 2009 at 2:06 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 2:09 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Violet - September 4, 2009 at 2:19 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - September 4, 2009 at 2:13 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - September 4, 2009 at 2:27 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Violet - September 4, 2009 at 2:28 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - September 4, 2009 at 2:32 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Violet - September 4, 2009 at 2:37 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Tiberius - September 4, 2009 at 2:42 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Violet - September 4, 2009 at 2:45 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 5:45 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Violet - September 4, 2009 at 5:48 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 5:51 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Violet - September 4, 2009 at 5:53 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 6:05 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Violet - September 4, 2009 at 6:12 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by downbeatplumb - September 6, 2009 at 5:28 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Darwinian - September 6, 2009 at 5:50 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 8:54 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Violet - September 4, 2009 at 9:07 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Retorth - September 6, 2009 at 5:34 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Edwardo Piet - September 6, 2009 at 9:19 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by fr0d0 - September 6, 2009 at 12:56 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Retorth - September 6, 2009 at 9:27 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by Edwardo Piet - September 6, 2009 at 1:17 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by fr0d0 - September 6, 2009 at 2:59 pm
RE: Illegal downloading - by Edwardo Piet - September 10, 2009 at 10:24 am
RE: Illegal downloading - by theVOID - September 10, 2009 at 10:34 pm

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