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Job
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RE: Job
(May 4, 2022 at 6:00 pm)h311inac311 Wrote: Have you ever read The Case for Miracles by Lee Strobel?

I've read two of those "Case" books.  Weak arguments, and a disingenuous claim to be looking at these things like a journalist.

It is impossible to disprove all possibility of miracles, but I would argue that if miracles were real, there would be far more "evidence" than is claimed in a Christian feel-good book series.

There is also the matter of the biblical claims - that faith like a mustard seed could move mountains.  I don't believe that was metaphorical.  When two people of faith agree on something, God is supposed to do it.  That doesn't happen.  God is supposed to give good gifts to those who love him.  Why do Christians get cancer at the same rate as non-Christians?

If one wants to claim that God does miracles, one first has to come up with a hypothesis for the preconditions for miracles.  Then, one has to do scientific studies to determine if miracles happen under those conditions.  Presto - you've then proved magic (though, haven't actually proved God yet).  Come back to me when we can get independent labs to verify miracles.
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Job - by h311inac311 - May 4, 2022 at 4:36 pm
RE: Job - by arewethereyet - May 4, 2022 at 4:41 pm
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RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 4, 2022 at 6:34 pm
RE: Job - by HappySkeptic - May 4, 2022 at 6:41 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 4, 2022 at 10:04 pm
RE: Job - by Pat Mustard - May 4, 2022 at 6:51 pm
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RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 4, 2022 at 11:04 pm
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