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Job
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RE: Job
A man once said, "It appears to me that the discussion surrounding the story of Job is one where those who couldn't endure even a fraction of what Job endured bring against God an accusation which the victim would never bring. That God is evil for proving to the world that yes, at one point in history there was a man who was willing to endure more unjust suffering than any other but without puting his creator on trial. The atheist thinks himself to be above Job as he laments every evil that is within the world. For the atheist there is one simple premis that from which all conclusions are inevitably drawn, "God isn't real, but if he was he would be evil." This simple premis will never have to change for any reason because an atheist is sovern within the bounds of his own mind. They are free to bring any accusation they want against God but do so without Job's blessing.

Job is the victim here, his faith is what is being unfairly tested and put on trial. The easiest conclusion that one could draw from such a story is that God is evil and that Job's wife was right to say, "curse God and die." Despite the fact that this is obviously the first conclusion that anyone would draw from a weighty story like this one; we have to realize that perhapse for Job, and Job alone, God was never once counted as evil. Job cursed himself, his life and all that he ever had for all it did was build him up so that he could be knocked down. When Job tore his robe and shaved his head he took an action that the vast majority of people would never do, he continued to worship and acknowledge God as good. He already passed the devil's test with flying colors but God wasn't done with him yet. Job's suffering would continue for quite some time after this and all Job would ever demand was an answer, not a trial, not revenge but a mere explanation as to why God would choose to do such an unjust and evil thing to his most faithful servant.

Because of this great faith Job became the absolute antithisis of what a modern day atheist reprisents. The atheist says there is no God but also that no rational man can observe the evils of the world surrounding them and come to the conclusion that God is good. In this way Job violates his own rational mind. Job's faith is irrational, just as God's answer is irrational. God simply tells Job that he is his creator, not the other way round. God's thoughts are above ours, God's ways are often unknowable to us. Our task is obeying his commandments without putting the one who wrote those commandments on trial. The task of a faithful man can be summarised as this. We don't know why God allows more suffering than our hearts can bear, but he does and when he does the atheist is quick to pull out his gavel and pronounce "guilty."

If God rewards his followers then the atheist will say, "look at these people, they only do the right thing because their God rewards them, but take away the reward and what will they have left?" And if God does stop protecting and rewarding his followers the atheist will say, "see, what point is there in obeying such a non-existent God? What has he done for you? Did he fix your car when it was broken? No, a mechanic did that. Did he heal you when you were sick? No, a doctor did that. See, God isn't real because he hasn't provided you with any reason to believe in him." So God is dammned if he does and dammned if he does not help his flock. If God allows an unrightous man to become wealthy they will say, "How can God suffer us to pay taxes to such an evil person? Where is this fictitious being which pronounces himself as both good and powerful? Is he less powerful than Caesar? Is he not able to conquer Nero? Pathetic! no God can be powerful and good if he does not knock down these oppressive powers." But when God does inevitably make his stand against the rulers of this world they will say, "Took him long enough," or they will say, "why was God so harsh with Caesar? was he really that poor of a ruler that he deserved to be brought down with such force?"

If God rewards one and punishes another the atheist will say God has made the wrong choice. Because God is either not existant or evil and everything that happens to them or around them in this world will be interpreted through that lense. Weather the rewards or punishments be temporary or eternal, weather these divine verdicts be small or great, they are either too small, too great, to temporary or too long lasting to not count as an inditement against their creator's character.                                                                                                    
     And if they see an old man riding on a donkey as he is being led by a young boy then they will say, "how can that old man suffer his grandson to walk while he rides upon that donkey?""
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Job - by h311inac311 - May 4, 2022 at 4:36 pm
RE: Job - by arewethereyet - May 4, 2022 at 4:41 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 4, 2022 at 4:49 pm
RE: Job - by arewethereyet - May 4, 2022 at 5:00 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 4, 2022 at 5:25 pm
RE: Job - by Nay_Sayer - May 4, 2022 at 5:28 pm
RE: Job - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 4, 2022 at 5:28 pm
RE: Job - by Nay_Sayer - May 4, 2022 at 5:29 pm
RE: Job - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 4, 2022 at 5:30 pm
RE: Job - by brewer - May 4, 2022 at 5:31 pm
RE: Job - by Nay_Sayer - May 4, 2022 at 5:36 pm
RE: Job - by The Valkyrie - May 4, 2022 at 10:12 pm
RE: Job - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 4, 2022 at 5:13 pm
RE: Job - by HappySkeptic - May 4, 2022 at 4:51 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 4, 2022 at 4:54 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 4, 2022 at 6:34 pm
RE: Job - by HappySkeptic - May 4, 2022 at 6:41 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 4, 2022 at 10:04 pm
RE: Job - by Pat Mustard - May 4, 2022 at 6:51 pm
RE: Job - by onlinebiker - May 4, 2022 at 4:57 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 4, 2022 at 5:02 pm
RE: Job - by arewethereyet - May 4, 2022 at 5:03 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 4, 2022 at 5:05 pm
RE: Job - by arewethereyet - May 4, 2022 at 5:06 pm
RE: Job - by HappySkeptic - May 4, 2022 at 5:09 pm
RE: Job - by arewethereyet - May 4, 2022 at 5:11 pm
RE: Job - by arewethereyet - May 4, 2022 at 5:52 pm
RE: Job - by HappySkeptic - May 4, 2022 at 6:01 pm
RE: Job - by onlinebiker - May 4, 2022 at 5:09 pm
RE: Job - by arewethereyet - May 4, 2022 at 5:10 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 4, 2022 at 5:11 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 4, 2022 at 5:14 pm
RE: Job - by brewer - May 4, 2022 at 5:21 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 4, 2022 at 5:40 pm
RE: Job - by The Architect Of Fate - May 4, 2022 at 5:41 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 4, 2022 at 6:05 pm
RE: Job - by Pat Mustard - May 4, 2022 at 6:48 pm
RE: Job - by The Architect Of Fate - May 4, 2022 at 7:16 pm
RE: Job - by Belacqua - May 4, 2022 at 5:43 pm
RE: Job - by arewethereyet - May 4, 2022 at 5:46 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 4, 2022 at 6:00 pm
RE: Job - by Nay_Sayer - May 4, 2022 at 6:02 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 4, 2022 at 6:07 pm
RE: Job - by HappySkeptic - May 4, 2022 at 6:14 pm
RE: Job - by arewethereyet - May 4, 2022 at 7:00 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 4, 2022 at 5:49 pm
RE: Job - by HappySkeptic - May 4, 2022 at 5:56 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 4, 2022 at 6:08 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 4, 2022 at 6:54 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 4, 2022 at 10:45 pm
RE: Job - by The Architect Of Fate - May 4, 2022 at 7:17 pm
RE: Job - by The Architect Of Fate - May 4, 2022 at 7:23 pm
RE: Job - by vulcanlogician - May 4, 2022 at 8:45 pm
RE: Job - by Belacqua - May 4, 2022 at 9:21 pm
RE: Job - by The Architect Of Fate - May 4, 2022 at 10:31 pm
RE: Job - by The Architect Of Fate - May 4, 2022 at 10:26 pm
RE: Job - by The Architect Of Fate - May 4, 2022 at 10:49 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 4, 2022 at 11:04 pm
RE: Job - by Nay_Sayer - May 5, 2022 at 12:12 am
RE: Job - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 5, 2022 at 3:42 am
RE: Job - by The Architect Of Fate - May 4, 2022 at 11:10 pm
RE: Job - by arewethereyet - May 4, 2022 at 11:17 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 5, 2022 at 6:42 am
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 5, 2022 at 8:13 am
RE: Job - by Belacqua - May 5, 2022 at 8:44 am
RE: Job - by onlinebiker - May 5, 2022 at 7:21 am
RE: Job - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 5, 2022 at 11:05 am
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 5, 2022 at 7:26 am
RE: Job - by Gwaithmir - May 5, 2022 at 8:28 am
RE: Job - by Mister Agenda - May 5, 2022 at 10:28 am
RE: Job - by brewer - May 5, 2022 at 8:33 am
RE: Job - by Nay_Sayer - May 6, 2022 at 11:34 am
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 5, 2022 at 9:04 am
RE: Job - by Ranjr - May 5, 2022 at 9:12 am
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 5, 2022 at 9:27 am
RE: Job - by Angrboda - May 5, 2022 at 9:29 am
RE: Job - by Belacqua - May 5, 2022 at 9:48 am
RE: Job - by vulcanlogician - May 5, 2022 at 11:30 am
RE: Job - by Duty - May 5, 2022 at 11:32 am
RE: Job - by HappySkeptic - May 5, 2022 at 9:42 am
RE: Job - by Duty - May 5, 2022 at 11:28 am
RE: Job - by Duty - May 5, 2022 at 11:31 am
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 6, 2022 at 9:05 am
RE: Job - by Angrboda - May 6, 2022 at 9:15 am
RE: Job - by Mister Agenda - May 6, 2022 at 9:40 am
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 6, 2022 at 11:50 am
RE: Job - by The Architect Of Fate - May 6, 2022 at 12:00 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 6, 2022 at 12:03 pm
RE: Job - by arewethereyet - May 6, 2022 at 12:09 pm
RE: Job - by Paleophyte - May 7, 2022 at 10:00 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 8, 2022 at 2:36 pm
RE: Job - by Nay_Sayer - May 8, 2022 at 2:41 pm
RE: Job - by brewer - May 8, 2022 at 4:09 pm
RE: Job - by Pat Mustard - May 9, 2022 at 12:53 pm
RE: Job - by brewer - May 9, 2022 at 1:02 pm
RE: Job - by Pat Mustard - May 15, 2022 at 7:16 pm
RE: Job - by Paleophyte - May 10, 2022 at 1:05 am
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 8, 2022 at 4:05 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 12, 2022 at 6:20 am
RE: Job - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 12, 2022 at 6:46 am
RE: Job - by arewethereyet - May 12, 2022 at 9:26 am
RE: Job - by Mister Agenda - May 12, 2022 at 9:28 am
RE: Job - by HappySkeptic - May 12, 2022 at 10:34 am
RE: Job - by The Architect Of Fate - May 12, 2022 at 3:28 pm
RE: Job - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 12, 2022 at 4:54 pm
RE: Job - by Brian37 - May 8, 2022 at 4:42 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 10, 2022 at 5:44 am
RE: Job - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 10, 2022 at 6:38 am
RE: Job - by brewer - May 10, 2022 at 12:19 pm
RE: Job - by Pat Mustard - May 15, 2022 at 7:27 pm
RE: Job - by vulcanlogician - May 15, 2022 at 7:44 pm
RE: Job - by Pat Mustard - May 16, 2022 at 7:33 am
RE: Job - by Fake Messiah - May 16, 2022 at 8:06 am
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 10, 2022 at 8:47 am
RE: Job - by Angrboda - May 10, 2022 at 10:22 am
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2022 at 7:08 am
RE: Job - by brewer - May 12, 2022 at 7:21 am
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2022 at 10:38 am
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2022 at 5:03 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 15, 2022 at 12:54 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 15, 2022 at 4:13 pm
RE: Job - by CuriosityBob - May 22, 2022 at 8:02 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 27, 2022 at 5:50 am
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 27, 2022 at 6:28 am
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - May 27, 2022 at 9:22 am
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - June 3, 2022 at 10:06 am
RE: Job - by arewethereyet - June 3, 2022 at 10:27 am
RE: Job - by Nay_Sayer - June 3, 2022 at 11:07 am
RE: Job - by The Valkyrie - June 3, 2022 at 1:37 pm
RE: Job - by brewer - June 3, 2022 at 3:49 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - May 27, 2022 at 9:46 am
RE: Job - by brewer - May 27, 2022 at 7:09 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2022 at 12:23 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - June 4, 2022 at 5:39 am
RE: Job - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 4, 2022 at 6:23 am
RE: Job - by Pat Mustard - June 4, 2022 at 6:50 am
RE: Job - by Astreja - June 4, 2022 at 5:49 pm
RE: Job - by brewer - June 4, 2022 at 7:01 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - June 4, 2022 at 7:57 am
RE: Job - by The Architect Of Fate - June 4, 2022 at 2:40 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - June 4, 2022 at 4:47 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - June 4, 2022 at 5:54 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - June 4, 2022 at 8:06 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - June 5, 2022 at 5:56 am
RE: Job - by Gwaithmir - June 5, 2022 at 6:38 am
RE: Job - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 5, 2022 at 8:05 am
RE: Job - by Astreja - June 5, 2022 at 12:30 pm
RE: Job - by Pat Mustard - June 5, 2022 at 8:57 am
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 6:33 am
RE: Job - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 5, 2022 at 12:29 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - June 14, 2022 at 6:08 am
RE: Job - by Fake Messiah - June 14, 2022 at 8:01 am
RE: Job - by Pat Mustard - June 17, 2022 at 5:42 pm
RE: Job - by arewethereyet - June 14, 2022 at 6:54 am
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - June 14, 2022 at 7:36 am
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - June 16, 2022 at 7:38 pm
RE: Job - by Fake Messiah - June 18, 2022 at 2:35 pm
RE: Job - by HappySkeptic - June 20, 2022 at 1:03 pm
RE: Job - by The Architect Of Fate - June 16, 2022 at 7:56 pm
RE: Job - by arewethereyet - June 16, 2022 at 8:08 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2022 at 1:36 am
RE: Job - by HappySkeptic - June 18, 2022 at 10:14 am
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - June 18, 2022 at 11:07 am
RE: Job - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 18, 2022 at 12:37 pm
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - July 1, 2022 at 7:21 am
RE: Job - by Gwaithmir - July 1, 2022 at 8:21 am
RE: Job - by Fake Messiah - July 1, 2022 at 9:25 am
RE: Job - by h311inac311 - July 19, 2022 at 11:06 am
RE: Job - by polymath257 - July 19, 2022 at 8:38 pm
RE: Job - by Pat Mustard - July 20, 2022 at 2:26 am
RE: Job - by Pat Mustard - July 20, 2022 at 8:10 am
RE: Job - by TheJefe817 - July 20, 2022 at 9:12 am
RE: Job - by Belacqua - July 20, 2022 at 9:28 am
RE: Job - by Pat Mustard - July 20, 2022 at 4:25 pm
RE: Job - by polymath257 - July 20, 2022 at 4:55 pm
RE: Job - by LinuxGal - November 5, 2022 at 8:12 pm
RE: Job - by Pat Mustard - November 8, 2022 at 2:54 pm
RE: Job - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 20, 2022 at 2:51 am
RE: Job - by possibletarian - July 1, 2022 at 12:12 pm
RE: Job - by polymath257 - July 19, 2022 at 8:45 pm
RE: Job - by Jehanne - July 19, 2022 at 8:53 pm
RE: Job - by polymath257 - July 20, 2022 at 5:00 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - July 1, 2022 at 9:04 am
RE: Job - by Brian37 - July 1, 2022 at 9:22 am
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - July 19, 2022 at 11:13 am
RE: Job - by Angrboda - July 19, 2022 at 10:09 pm
RE: Job - by Jehanne - July 19, 2022 at 10:59 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - July 19, 2022 at 11:43 pm
RE: Job - by The Grand Nudger - July 20, 2022 at 9:34 am
RE: Job - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 8, 2022 at 4:07 pm

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