RE: Job
May 6, 2022 at 12:00 pm
(This post was last modified: May 6, 2022 at 12:41 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
Quote:A man once said, "It appears to me that the discussion surrounding the story of Job is one where those who couldn't endure even a fraction of what Job endured bring against God an accusation which the victim would never bring. That God is evil for proving to the world that yes, at one point in history there was a man who was willing to endure more unjust suffering than any other but without puting his creator on trial. The atheist thinks himself to be above Job as he laments every evil that is within the world. For the atheist there is one simple premis that from which all conclusions are inevitably drawn, "God isn't real, but if he was he would be evil." This simple premis will never have to change for any reason because an atheist is sovern within the bounds of his own mind. They are free to bring any accusation they want against God but do so without Job's blessing.Ah yes, it's not that story makes no sense and depicts a deplorable being. It's those wicked atheists and evil minds. I'm sure that's a comforting myth for you. It's not that you wrong it's that your opposition is irrational. Said every wrong person ever

Quote:Job is the victim here, his faith is what is being unfairly tested and put on trial. The easiest conclusion that one could draw from such a story is that God is evil and that Job's wife was right to say, "curse God and die." Despite the fact that this is obviously the first conclusion that anyone would draw from a weighty story like this one; we have to realize that perhapse for Job, and Job alone, God was never once counted as evil. Job cursed himself, his life and all that he ever had for all it did was build him up so that he could be knocked down. When Job tore his robe and shaved his head he took an action that the vast majority of people would never do, he continued to worship and acknowledge God as good. He already passed the devil's test with flying colors but God wasn't done with him yet. Job's suffering would continue for quite some time after this and all Job would ever demand was an answer, not a trial, not revenge but a mere explanation as to why God would choose to do such an unjust and evil thing to his most faithful servant.Yeah, this sounds like how an abuse victim apologizes for their abuser.
Quote:Because of this great faith Job became the absolute antithisis of what a modern day atheist reprisents. The atheist says there is no God but also that no rational man can observe the evils of the world surrounding them and come to the conclusion that God is good. In this way Job violates his own rational mind. Job's faith is irrational, just as God's answer is irrational. God simply tells Job that he is his creator, not the other way round. God's thoughts are above ours, God's ways are often unknowable to us. Our task is obeying his commandments without putting the one who wrote those commandments on trial. The task of a faithful man can be summarised as this. We don't know why God allows more suffering than our hearts can bear, but he does and when he does the atheist is quick to pull out his gavel and pronounce "guilty."Ah good you acknowledge Job is being irrational Stockholm syndrome tends to have that effect
Quote:If God rewards his followers then the atheist will say, "look at these people, they only do the right thing because their God rewards them, but take away the reward and what will they have left?" And if God does stop protecting and rewarding his followers the atheist will say, "see, what point is there in obeying such a non-existent God? What has he done for you? Did he fix your car when it was broken? No, a mechanic did that. Did he heal you when you were sick? No, a doctor did that. See, God isn't real because he hasn't provided you with any reason to believe in him." So God is dammned if he does and dammned if he does not help his flock. If God allows an unrightous man to become wealthy they will say, "How can God suffer us to pay taxes to such an evil person? Where is this fictitious being which pronounces himself as both good and powerful? Is he less powerful than Caesar? Is he not able to conquer Nero? Pathetic! no God can be powerful and good if he does not knock down these oppressive powers." But when God does inevitably make his stand against the rulers of this world they will say, "Took him long enough," or they will say, "why was God so harsh with Caesar? was he really that poor of a ruler that he deserved to be brought down with such force?"Yes yes it's not that theology makes no sense It's those wicked atheists and evil minds. I'm sure that's a comforting myth for you. It's not that you wrong it's that your opposition is irrational. Said every wrong person ever

Quote:If God rewards one and punishes another the atheist will say God has made the wrong choice. Because God is either not existant or evil and everything that happens to them or around them in this world will be interpreted through that lense. Weather the rewards or punishments be temporary or eternal, weather these divine verdicts be small or great, they are either too small, too great, to temporary or too long lasting to not count as an inditement against their creator's character.Yes yes, it's not that theology makes no sense It's those wicked atheists and evil minds. I'm sure that's a comforting myth for you. It's not that you wrong it's that your opposition is irrational. Said every wrong person ever
And if they see an old man riding on a donkey as he is being led by a young boy then they will say, "how can that old man suffer his grandson to walk while he rides upon that donkey?""

So your whole rant is you playing mind reader and putting up a strawman to knock down rather than actually engage in any actual arguments.

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