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[Serious] Fallacies & Strategies
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RE: Fallacies & Strategies
(June 5, 2022 at 9:01 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(June 5, 2022 at 8:55 am)Klorophyll Wrote: There is no necessary reason for God to create us. We could have not existed. 
I asked you how you know, and you just re-stated your claim.
Want to try again? Especially in the light of the fact that you cant know if your god is good or bad. How do you know it was not necessary for your god to create us because he is good (or bad)? How did you rule out that being good (or bad) does not include the necessity to create humans?

I thought I didn't need to spell out the obvious. If God necessarily has to create humans, then He can't be a deity.. the latter being usually defined as a necessary being, isn't contingent on anything. It follows that God doesn't need to create anything.  As you can see, this has nothing to do with the deity being good or bad, the deity is self sufficient by definition.

So again, it certainly doesn't follow from God being benevolent/malevolent that He should create us. I am not sure why this is difficult for you.

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(June 5, 2022 at 11:20 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Not true. Theists constantly tell us that god is good, and that he is the fount of morality, blahblahblah. "God is good, all the time", etc.

All those statements are judgements. And they're all vapid, according to your logic. For all you know, you are worshipping a demon, apparently.

Well then I don't think we mean the same thing by the term 'judgment'. The theists you're referring to are just rehearsing the articles of their faith, which they believe come from God verbatim. Therefore, they're reporting to you what they think God said about Himself. 

And I think omnipotent demons have better ways to get what they want than disguise themselves as benevolent deities. Being compelled to hide your identity/powers/nature is a hallmark of weakness, even between people. 

Quote:All religions are described by articles of faith.  You'll have to pick a lane at some point though.  We either can or can't know whether a god is good or evil.  Speculation, revelation, observation... it doesn't really matter which vehicle.  

All the aforementioned vehicles naturally lead one to think God is benevolent. I mean, neither you nor I are hanging out naked in the street right now, while starving. It's idiotic for a healthy person, with enough nutrients and shelter to get through the day, to argue for malevolent beings and unnecessary evil.

Revelation is crystal clear about the character of God. In Islam, there are as many as 99 names of God, each pointing to a property or character of the divine.



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Fallacies & Strategies - by John 6IX Breezy - May 28, 2022 at 1:11 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Valkyrie - May 28, 2022 at 2:19 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Anomalocaris - May 28, 2022 at 8:20 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Angrboda - May 28, 2022 at 3:17 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 28, 2022 at 3:44 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - May 28, 2022 at 8:13 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 29, 2022 at 4:47 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Belacqua - May 29, 2022 at 7:14 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Fake Messiah - May 29, 2022 at 7:34 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Neo-Scholastic - May 29, 2022 at 7:54 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Fake Messiah - May 29, 2022 at 9:04 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by polymath257 - May 30, 2022 at 1:14 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Belacqua - May 31, 2022 at 2:03 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Fake Messiah - May 31, 2022 at 2:35 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 3, 2022 at 3:02 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Fake Messiah - June 6, 2022 at 12:01 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 6, 2022 at 12:35 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Pat Mustard - June 4, 2022 at 5:30 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Anomalocaris - May 30, 2022 at 1:23 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - May 30, 2022 at 1:32 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by arewethereyet - May 30, 2022 at 1:34 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2022 at 3:33 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 3, 2022 at 4:18 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Neo-Scholastic - June 3, 2022 at 10:45 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by LadyForCamus - June 4, 2022 at 2:45 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 5, 2022 at 3:03 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 5, 2022 at 2:55 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 5, 2022 at 3:50 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2022 at 4:20 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 3, 2022 at 4:39 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2022 at 4:51 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 3, 2022 at 5:53 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Pat Mustard - June 4, 2022 at 5:33 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Thumpalumpacus - June 5, 2022 at 2:30 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 5, 2022 at 8:08 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 5, 2022 at 8:23 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 5, 2022 at 8:55 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 5, 2022 at 9:01 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 5, 2022 at 6:01 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Thumpalumpacus - June 5, 2022 at 6:15 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 5, 2022 at 6:26 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 5, 2022 at 6:35 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Thumpalumpacus - June 5, 2022 at 7:21 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 6, 2022 at 1:39 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 6, 2022 at 2:56 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 6, 2022 at 7:43 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 6, 2022 at 7:49 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 5, 2022 at 9:05 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Thumpalumpacus - June 5, 2022 at 11:20 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2022 at 6:25 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 4, 2022 at 6:20 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Pat Mustard - June 5, 2022 at 5:15 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Neo-Scholastic - June 3, 2022 at 9:28 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 3, 2022 at 11:11 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 3, 2022 at 11:12 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 4, 2022 at 7:46 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 4, 2022 at 3:06 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 4, 2022 at 6:50 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 3:07 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 5, 2022 at 3:16 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 3:25 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 4:00 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 5, 2022 at 4:27 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 4:34 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 7:39 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 8:14 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 8:49 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 9:08 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 5, 2022 at 5:22 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 5, 2022 at 4:00 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 5, 2022 at 7:08 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Belacqua - June 6, 2022 at 2:20 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by polymath257 - June 6, 2022 at 9:07 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Angrboda - June 6, 2022 at 9:11 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 6, 2022 at 2:37 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Anomalocaris - June 6, 2022 at 3:23 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 6, 2022 at 4:21 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Architect Of Fate - June 6, 2022 at 7:51 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 6, 2022 at 10:26 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 6, 2022 at 2:33 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 6, 2022 at 4:20 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by LinuxGal - August 9, 2023 at 10:51 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 6, 2022 at 4:26 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by R00tKiT - June 6, 2022 at 4:35 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by bennyboy - June 11, 2022 at 8:10 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by Deesse23 - June 12, 2022 at 1:35 am
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by The Grand Nudger - June 6, 2022 at 5:09 pm
RE: Fallacies & Strategies - by arewethereyet - August 10, 2023 at 6:02 am

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