RE: The existence of God
September 6, 2022 at 5:01 pm
(This post was last modified: September 6, 2022 at 5:09 pm by R00tKiT.)
(September 6, 2022 at 12:32 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:(September 4, 2022 at 2:12 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: That's your personal, religious experience of interacting with magical plants producing circuit boards. Not a valid argument.
I get it, when people spend a long time hallucinating about factory floors, they start to think they're real. It's all made up, unfortunately, all of it.
Say what you want about the atheists here, at least our objections to a capital-D Designer are sincere.
Did I just read the word sincere?
I am literally at a loss of words right now. Maybe one day try to buy a book about human anatomy, or more specifically hand anatomy, like this one :
https://www.amazon.com/Hand-Wrist-Anatom...3132053414
The human hand is a complex combination of nerves, vessels, bones, ligaments and muscles. Each of these is an entire topic of study.. Your own hand is an extremely complicated machine with an instruction manual, a literal miracle.
Just leaf through books like these and try to think about your position in a fresh way, should I continue to believe that all this complexity as described in front me is the product of an ad hoc expansion of the universe and the subsequent conjunction of billions of lucky events.. should I believe that unguided assembly of stardust led to me having nerves and vessels? How messed up in the head one must be to even consider this ?
Learning more about our own functioning to discover God is sincere advice, no parody. It's probably the most effective way to see how stupid atheism is.
I remember opening Oppy's book some weeks ago, Arguing about Gods, and passionately going through his chapter about teleological arguments, hoping I'd find serious argumentation from the other side, then I arrived at the following paragraph :
"Suppose, instead, that Paley had come upon a rabbit’s heart lying on the common. Given a little background knowledge, he would have recognised that this is something with a proper function, with parts that have proper functions, and with parts whose material constitution is well suited to the functions that those parts play. (Think, for example, of the natural functions of cell membranes, cell nuclei, etc.) Nonetheless, I don’t think that there is the slightest reason to suppose that there is anything at all inevitable about the ‘inference’ from the observed properties of the rabbit’s heart to the conclusion that it is the product of intelligent design"
The part in bold disgusted me, I stopped reading immediately. All the complexity of the heart doesn't even hint design according to this deranged pedant. I lost all the respect I had for the atheist philosopher, a leading figure in modern philosophy of religion, by the way. What's really disturbing is that this is the highest level of argumentation one is ever likely to read from the atheist camp, one can only imagine the kinds of pathetic reasons the rest of run-of-the-mill atheists have for denying design, or pretending they don't see it or, worse, think they have sincere objections.
Even a modicum of knowledge about human anatomy should lead one to a profound belief in a supreme creator. I really don't have any respect for anyone who thinks it's not enough.