The God Delusion

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No. I am not being funny at all. God, like the universe would have to become more chaotic with time, unless he is constantly expanding etc. For God to be steady and eternal would mean his entropy has somehow ceased. This could only happen if his entropy was at a maximun for his volume, which would mean his chaotic nature would be infinity.

God is described with certain properties. Thought is one of those properties. How does God think? What is the mechanism? How are his thoughts stored? This would require a location. Where?

Quantum Physics claims there is no frame of reference outside of the universe, hence where ever god is located, it must be within the confinds of an expanding universe where entropy (chaos) is increasing.

Nothing exists outside of the "laws" of the universe. God must be defined within those laws, or it cannot exist.

One might claim god, by definition exists outside the laws of the universe, however the laws claim nothing exists outside of them, ergo, "God is nothing."

The religious 'solved' this problem ages ago by stating that god is supernatural. In other words, he/she/it is not subject to the laws of nature. When you are demanding that for instance god's thoughts require a storage location you are trapped in your own thinking box. The claim the religious make is that god in his supernatural domain (not necessarily a domain with spatial dimensions!) escapes all restrictions of this universe. The weak point in this religious idea is that they have no clue how he does this (they are accepting on blind faith), also claim that god somehow intervenes in the natural domain we call universe and that he is omnipresent and allmighty in that domain. On the border between the supernatuiral and the natural lies a big problem for religious thinkers.

Correct, although I don't know how the problem is solved. No one has proved anything can exist outside of our laws, nor is there any evidence of its existance. The properties of this place and being outside the laws of the universe would therefore be entirely made of conjecture. My conjecture nothing exists is as valid as one who conjectures heaven, hell, and God. The one difference is I have science on my side.

Padraic, my argument is that if there is no place to put something, no means to describe it, "no frame of reference" it doesn't exist. Now if you want to tell me god is composed of alpha waves which create a cosmic mind, that would be more acceptable than say one which has no bounds. My proof contends that nothing exists outside of the bounds of laws of the universe. God could exist inside those laws, and existance could be proven, if that was the case and we knew where to look. Of course we would have to redefine our traditional view of God as an old Jewish man.