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All science is materialistic
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RE: All science is materialistic
(December 31, 2022 at 11:08 am)polymath257 Wrote:
(December 29, 2022 at 10:20 pm)Jehanne Wrote: What you are claiming is just nuts.  Materialism, per Merriam-Webster, means:


The United States National Academy of Sciences stated the following:

And the statement says NOTHING about matter being the only or fundamental reality. it talks about the composition of matter, but not whether or not matter is fundamental.

And, in fact, even defining matter is tricky. Is light matter? Are neutrinos? They are certainly *physical*, but I think very few scientists would say that light is matter or material. I have even seen a "definition" of matter as that which is made up of first generation fermions (up and down quarks and electrons).

The essence of science is the scientific method: to test all ideas via observation, to only consider ideas that are testable (usually falsifiable) and to agree to modify or eliminate those ideas that are shown wrong via observation.

Nothing in this method *requires* 'matter' or even 'physical' aspects to be fundamental.

As you and everyone else knows, by Einstein's very famous formula,

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one has the mass–energy equivalence, and so, massless particles, such as photons, would have zero invariant mass.  Materialism would certainly encompass the notion of fields (of course, the basis of QFT), where at very high energies a field would produce a particle (e.g., the Higgs boson).

The Academy, by the way, does not reject scientism, stating,

Quote:Scientists, like people in other professions, hold a wide range of positions about religion and the role of supernatural forces or entities in the universe. Some adhere to a position known as scientism, which holds that the methods of science alone are sufficient for discovering everything there is to know about the universe. Others ascribe to an idea known as deism, which posits that God created all things and set the universe in motion but no longer actively directs physical phenomena. Others are theists, who believe that God actively intervenes in the world. Many scientists who believe in God, either as a prime mover or as an active force in the universe, have written eloquently about their beliefs.
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All science is materialistic - by Interaktive - December 29, 2022 at 5:30 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by arewethereyet - December 29, 2022 at 6:16 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Interaktive - December 29, 2022 at 6:45 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by zebo-the-fat - December 29, 2022 at 6:53 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Angrboda - December 29, 2022 at 9:26 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by LinuxGal - December 29, 2022 at 9:39 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Hi600 - January 5, 2023 at 7:53 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 6, 2023 at 4:21 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - December 29, 2022 at 10:40 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 29, 2022 at 10:59 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Fireball - December 29, 2022 at 11:19 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Aegon - December 29, 2022 at 12:24 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by HappySkeptic - December 29, 2022 at 12:46 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Angrboda - December 29, 2022 at 2:28 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - December 29, 2022 at 10:20 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by polymath257 - December 31, 2022 at 11:08 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by LinuxGal - December 31, 2022 at 11:17 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by polymath257 - December 31, 2022 at 7:11 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by LinuxGal - December 31, 2022 at 7:27 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by polymath257 - December 31, 2022 at 7:30 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - December 31, 2022 at 8:17 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by polymath257 - January 1, 2023 at 11:04 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 1, 2023 at 12:09 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by polymath257 - January 1, 2023 at 1:17 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by polymath257 - January 1, 2023 at 6:23 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 1, 2023 at 7:19 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by polymath257 - January 1, 2023 at 10:12 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 1, 2023 at 11:02 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by polymath257 - January 2, 2023 at 10:34 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 2, 2023 at 10:57 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by polymath257 - January 2, 2023 at 1:23 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 2, 2023 at 1:43 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by polymath257 - January 2, 2023 at 9:47 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 2, 2023 at 10:53 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by GrandizerII - January 3, 2023 at 1:17 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 3, 2023 at 6:47 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Angrboda - January 3, 2023 at 8:04 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 3, 2023 at 10:11 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by GrandizerII - January 5, 2023 at 8:53 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 5, 2023 at 10:32 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Fake Messiah - January 5, 2023 at 10:51 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Anomalocaris - January 5, 2023 at 10:58 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by GrandizerII - January 6, 2023 at 5:28 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 6, 2023 at 5:53 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Fake Messiah - January 6, 2023 at 5:55 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by GrandizerII - January 6, 2023 at 5:18 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by polymath257 - January 6, 2023 at 11:11 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by HappySkeptic - January 6, 2023 at 11:37 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by polymath257 - January 6, 2023 at 11:51 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Anomalocaris - January 6, 2023 at 9:41 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by polymath257 - January 6, 2023 at 11:07 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - December 31, 2022 at 8:25 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by LinuxGal - December 31, 2022 at 8:27 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - December 31, 2022 at 8:33 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by LinuxGal - December 31, 2022 at 8:55 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - December 31, 2022 at 9:07 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - December 31, 2022 at 11:40 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Angrboda - December 31, 2022 at 12:01 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - December 31, 2022 at 12:23 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Angrboda - December 31, 2022 at 1:09 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - December 31, 2022 at 1:12 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Peebothuhlu - December 31, 2022 at 3:41 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by arewethereyet - December 31, 2022 at 3:44 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - December 31, 2022 at 3:47 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Angrboda - December 31, 2022 at 3:54 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - December 31, 2022 at 3:54 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Angrboda - December 31, 2022 at 4:16 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by polymath257 - December 31, 2022 at 7:23 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - December 31, 2022 at 8:12 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by polymath257 - December 31, 2022 at 7:21 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - December 31, 2022 at 8:24 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by LinuxGal - December 31, 2022 at 12:02 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Simon Moon - December 30, 2022 at 10:20 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Objectivist - December 30, 2022 at 11:50 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Anomalocaris - December 31, 2022 at 11:22 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - December 31, 2022 at 8:29 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Angrboda - January 1, 2023 at 12:59 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 1, 2023 at 1:06 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by LinuxGal - January 1, 2023 at 8:38 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 1, 2023 at 9:04 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Hi600 - January 1, 2023 at 12:07 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Angrboda - January 2, 2023 at 11:01 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 2, 2023 at 11:06 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 2, 2023 at 11:18 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 2, 2023 at 11:20 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Angrboda - January 2, 2023 at 11:26 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 2, 2023 at 11:31 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by Angrboda - January 2, 2023 at 12:30 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 2, 2023 at 12:12 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by polymath257 - January 2, 2023 at 11:41 am
RE: All science is materialistic - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 2, 2023 at 12:15 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 2, 2023 at 12:32 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 2, 2023 at 1:11 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 2, 2023 at 1:47 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 2, 2023 at 2:11 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 2, 2023 at 2:36 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 2, 2023 at 3:41 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 2, 2023 at 4:12 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 2, 2023 at 6:06 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 2, 2023 at 6:17 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jackalope - January 2, 2023 at 9:37 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Anomalocaris - January 2, 2023 at 1:22 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Anomalocaris - January 2, 2023 at 2:37 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Jehanne - January 2, 2023 at 2:42 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Anomalocaris - January 2, 2023 at 2:46 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by Anomalocaris - January 2, 2023 at 3:00 pm
RE: All science is materialistic - by brewer - January 6, 2023 at 7:25 pm

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