RE: God's law or private law?
January 1, 2023 at 3:06 pm
(This post was last modified: January 1, 2023 at 3:12 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
People can and do sincerely believe in things that you or I might see as superficial just as they can and do believe in things we both find ugly. This doesn't actually place them outside the realm of being the true or original message of some religion - it simply means that this message is superficial and/or ugly. Some religions are truly and originally misogynistic, as that was your example. OFC a misogynistic religion will produce a misogynistic society full of misogynistic people. Up to and including their various head shamans and witchdoctors. See: abrahamism.
I'm not too concerned with you lacking hard evidence for your beliefs, but this repeated assertion of posessing the original message is, itself..not them getting it wrong. It's their gods, their magic books, and their religions getting it wrong for you. You're not correcting them on anything - they would be in that seat. You may be correcting what you see as a moral lapse or outright immorality - and you do so by rejecting the original message in favor of some other. It's a pretty common factor in secularized new age beliefs.
Magic book, for example, doesn't contain too much violence because people read it superficially. It contains that violence no matter how hard we want to plumb the depths for wisdom..or..just as often, no matter how willing we are to overlook it if we feel that we can manufacture wisdom of our own and then borrow it's perceived pedigree. As for obedience, it's the nature of a religion to demand obedience as a set of shared normative principles. If this is a failure condition - all religions fail..and we couldn't even construct a religion that didn't. Obedience to good principles is probably not something that we could really find issue with, obedience to degenerate principles..well, for folks like you and I that's probably a no-go. Whether jesus was white or black is simply irrelevant to whether the principles of jesus religion are good or degenerate, just as whether or not a god actually said x is irrelevant to the same.
Case in point...there -is- a sincerely held and well sourced belief in the virtue of religious militancy in the original message™ of magic book. The abrahamic god, apparently, loves it. That doesn't stop us from calling it degeneracy. Barbarism. They're not doing their religions wrong, and it isn't on account of having read a superficial message - doing their religion right, according to that message, and even if a god (white god, brown god, blue god) said it..is shit. It needs to be distorted in order to be less shit. I'm glad you're not murdering people...that seems like an awfully low bar...but you are doing exactly what you give the murderers shit for with respect to your critique of their religions.
I'm not too concerned with you lacking hard evidence for your beliefs, but this repeated assertion of posessing the original message is, itself..not them getting it wrong. It's their gods, their magic books, and their religions getting it wrong for you. You're not correcting them on anything - they would be in that seat. You may be correcting what you see as a moral lapse or outright immorality - and you do so by rejecting the original message in favor of some other. It's a pretty common factor in secularized new age beliefs.
Magic book, for example, doesn't contain too much violence because people read it superficially. It contains that violence no matter how hard we want to plumb the depths for wisdom..or..just as often, no matter how willing we are to overlook it if we feel that we can manufacture wisdom of our own and then borrow it's perceived pedigree. As for obedience, it's the nature of a religion to demand obedience as a set of shared normative principles. If this is a failure condition - all religions fail..and we couldn't even construct a religion that didn't. Obedience to good principles is probably not something that we could really find issue with, obedience to degenerate principles..well, for folks like you and I that's probably a no-go. Whether jesus was white or black is simply irrelevant to whether the principles of jesus religion are good or degenerate, just as whether or not a god actually said x is irrelevant to the same.
Case in point...there -is- a sincerely held and well sourced belief in the virtue of religious militancy in the original message™ of magic book. The abrahamic god, apparently, loves it. That doesn't stop us from calling it degeneracy. Barbarism. They're not doing their religions wrong, and it isn't on account of having read a superficial message - doing their religion right, according to that message, and even if a god (white god, brown god, blue god) said it..is shit. It needs to be distorted in order to be less shit. I'm glad you're not murdering people...that seems like an awfully low bar...but you are doing exactly what you give the murderers shit for with respect to your critique of their religions.
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