(January 8, 2023 at 4:52 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:(January 7, 2023 at 8:54 pm)Helios Wrote: True Gary is a gun nut whose research can't be trusted.
I thought that Gary Kleck was one of the most influential criminologists of all time. He is also famous for his arguments against death penalty.
I’ve done a bit of reading, both on Kleck’s work and various critiques of it. Couple of issues:
-Kleck very broadly defines ‘gun defense’. For example, he counts house signs indicating the residents have guns as defense, whether or not the guns are used or even exist.
-He arrives at the 300k figure by extrapolating from a sample size of just 5 000 out of a country with a population of well over 300 million.
-It seems difficult to determine, in any particular gun encounter, whether or not the presence of a gun was a factor in life saving.
-Even if we’re being generous beyond all reason and posit that guns were brandished often enough to save 300 000 lives, this means gun use produces a higher mortality than automobile crashes, breast cancer, and heart disease.
Boru
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