(January 10, 2023 at 3:10 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:(January 7, 2023 at 8:42 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: There were something like 20,000 murders or criminal homicides in the US each year. for guns to save 300000 lives a year, we would need to assume it prevented 94% of the murders or homicide that otherwise would have occurred. it says were it not for guns the average american would have roughly 1 % chance of dying from murdered or homicide. it also says guns are not only available for, but also successfully used for, self defense in 94% of the cases where the intended victims would otherwise have been killed. do any of this pass the most cursory sniff test even for the US?I don't know. I am Croatian, not American. I only know USA is a very high-crime country.
Since I think Gary Kleck’s study overstates the life saving value of guns by only a slightly fewer orders of magnitude than Bishop Ussher’s study understates the age of the earth, I would say Covid-19 saved far more lives.
it has nothing to do with the crime rate in the US. it has to do with whether you think it is even plausible that in 94% of all circumstances where a person would otherwise have been murdered or died of criminal homicide, not only is there a gun available to the would be victim or his defender right at the criminal moment, but the gun was effectively used to prevent the crime. think, man, don’t believe every statistic that seems to make a case you clearly favor.
