Did guns or vaccines save more lives in 2021?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You're comparing measurable and repeatable numbers in the Covid research with numbers Kleck effectively pulled out of his arse (his metodology is awful, his protection measures against bias, false positives and other confounding variables is non-existent and his results are unreplicable).  Of course Covid-19 vaccines are going to show more lives saved.

You think Gary Kleck's methodology is bad? Well, explain to me why do you think the methodology of the study I linked to, estimating that vaccines saved 300'000 lives in 2021 in the US alone, is good? Do you even understand their methodology? I personally don't.

It’s a much simpler matter to compare deaths from COVID between the group of people vaccinated for COVID and people who weren’t. Suppose 100 people who test positive for the virus are hospitalized, 50 vaxxed and 50 unvaxxed. If 40 of the unvaxxed patients die, but only 10 of the vaxxed patients die, it’s reasonable to conclude that the COVID vaccine saved 40 lives.

Now imagine you look at 100 confrontations involving firearms, in which 50 people are killed and 50 people survive. You can’t conclude that guns saved 50 lives unless you’re able to correct for other factors that might have affected the outcome. You can’t do that in a survey. In the hospital scenario above, you’re able to do exactly that.

Boru