RE: Covid 19 conspiracies dump
April 27, 2023 at 7:56 pm
(This post was last modified: April 27, 2023 at 8:00 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 27, 2023 at 4:10 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Mislav Kolakušić (a Croatian politician, mostly left-wing, except for being a COVID skeptic) has stated multiple times that the only way one can legally claim what somebody died from is if an autopsy has been made. And, he argues, since almost no autopsies have been made on people who supposedly died from COVID-19 (according to him, only one has thus far been done in Croatia), making estimates about how many people died from COVID-19 is illegal. Is that true? I am not sure.I'm not a croatian lawyer, but I can see that you're a croatian frozen peach enthusiast...and the answer to the question seems to be nestled in it. There's a law about how a legal cause of death is established. There would have to be..for there to be such a thing as a legal cause of death. I doubt that it prevents speculation, as that would make every neighbor and poorly formed family member a criminal when they all wonder what finally killed ole Luko.
On one hand, how could a law making it illegal to speculate about causes of death exist? Wouldn't it be blatanly unconstitutional?
On the other hand, Mislav Kolakušić studied law. Is it likely that he is wrong about the matters of law? Perhaps a better question is whether it's likely that he is lying.
I assume you have some sort of insurance market, and some sort of public health institute, and some sort of law enforcement administration? That there's some way for an insurance company to decide that a person died of something they lied about on their policy? That a person somehow got into some anthrax. That a person was murdered? If laws establishing legal causes of death were unconstitutional, that wouldn't be a problem with laws establishing a legal cause of death..it would be a rather idiotic problem with the specific constitution itself.
As far as what's likely, there's no need to speculate. You know that you're disseminating reich wing talking points, hence the need to qualify your chosen cutout nut as a leftist and vaguely wave in the direction of rights abrogation.
Quote:That's not to say I think official statistics are remotely accurate. Think about this: in almost all countries, the official estimate of how many people died from COVID-19 in 2021, when vaccines were available, is higher than the official estimate of how many people died from COVID-19 in 2020, when no vaccines were available. It seems to me there are only 2 explanations for that:Not in the US or Croatia. The biggest spike in deaths were early on in both cases. Let's take a hypothetical approach, though. Let's imagine that this statement were true of either the us or of croatia. I can think of some additional items to consider.
1. Vaccines are not only ineffective, they are counter-productive. (Which is arguably a conspiracy theory.)
2. The statistics are wildly inaccurate.
And it seems obvious what is more likely.
3. Building on 2, initial estimates were bad because, as you allude to throughout, bad stats. They've since been revised by metrics like excess mortality to give a more accurate account of the spread and toll of a thing noone was looking for when it began, and would go on to actively hide or not report as it happened.
4. Building on 3, there's a spike in excess mortality due to the economic and sociological effects of covid, which now get's rolled up into covid stats, because of the lack of granularity in excess mortality numbers.
If I sat here long enough I could come up with others, but they'd all be as counterfactual as your claim that deaths were higher in 2021 than in 2020, higher after vaccines in a given pop than before. You know what I think you did? I think you went looking for something to back up your desired conclusion and accidently swapped the detected covid cases for listed covid deaths. I think that, because those are the numbers that actually went up, while the deaths went down. Those numbers went up because we were looking harder, and, fwiw, that those numbers went up while the deaths went down is a pretty solid demonstration of the effectiveness of vaccines.
With respect to your one and two, the numbers say deaths went down and stats got better and literally none of this has anything to do with your freedom to speculate or the constitutionality of statutes establishing what counts as a legal cause of death. Some nutball narratives just aren't very mobile. You'll need better lines for this to look like anything other than some nut in nothereistan huffing american malcontents farts.
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