The Principle of Contingent Causation: The Impossibility of Infinite Regress.

[Deesse23]

Objection 1: "The First Cause is not yet proven to be Jesus Christ, therefore I don't have to admit it."

No one has ever refused to "adit" to anything here. Stop misrepresenting/strawmanning people.
Either you are dishonest, then we cant help you. Or you are too ignorant, then you have any chance to ASK us and correct your misrepresentation.

Guess what you are going to do now!? 10$ on "dishonest preacher".

Objection 2: "Even if a Necessary First Cause of all things exist, this First Cause could allegedly be the universe/something else natural itself."

Misrepresentation #2. No one here said that the universe was a "first cause". Au contraire, according to the big bang model, most people here will claim that the universe is definitely NOT a "first cause".

Ignorant or dishonest? Please show your colors. The ignorant will ask, the dishonest will ignore and go on, like you did in the past.

That such arguments should be seriously proposed by Atheists, in order to undermine Premise 2, shows how weak the Atheistic position ultimately is. 

What IS the "atheistic position"? I am asking to avoid misunderstandings, or expose your dishonesty again. We will see by your (non) reply.

The general defeater for your/Aquin/Bels arguments however, which are based on medieval intuitions of what reality*, is the fact that the current best model to exlpain available date is the Big Bang Model, which predicts that loking back in time at T=10^-34s spacetime breaks down. Space, time and thus causation break down. "when" or "where" and "what caused X" stop making sense. Atheists dont know anyting about this*, and you dont either. The difference is: You are pretending to!

Its really bizarre, that people are so depserately sticking to medieval philosophy in the face of facts of what modern science found out. I dont blame Aquin for not knowing better. He tried his best with the means avaibale to him (well, he still was engaged in motivated reasoning, trying to prove his god, instead of looking where his investigatiions ar leading him to) and i give him many points for effort.
You however, have so much more knowledge than Aquin to base your thoughts on....and look what you are doing. So incredibly intellectually lazy and disingenuous.

We have no idea about t=10^-34s, the human language does not have the words to describe, the human mind (almost) has no ways to grasp this. Just a few very "creative" astrophysicists, cosmologists, mathematicians etc. who are thinking about strings and multiverses maybe do. Still its all conjecture. But one thing is clear: You, the Catholic Church, Aquinas, all of you arent even remotely equipped to make informed (matching available data, and internally consistent) guesses about the "origin of all things". Some, like Aquinas can be blamed less, some like you much more.

Your childish "first casue" word games are just a very naive attempt to cover this fact.


*time, space, causation, etc.*
** what happened "before" this, although the word "before" already does not make any sense anymore