RE: The Principle of Contingent Causation: The Impossibility of Infinite Regress.
July 14, 2023 at 1:41 pm
(July 13, 2023 at 2:21 am)Deesse23 Wrote:(July 12, 2023 at 11:48 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: We know almost nothing about "all the stuff that's out there".Exactly. And if energy can not be created or destroyed, its not contingent. Ergo: All the stuff that makes up the universe -- nearly all of it is clearly NOT contingent….
Dark Energy and Dark Matter comprise 95 % of this universe.
We know nothing about what it is or how it acts.
We know about 5 % of what comprises this universe.
We know very little about reality between the quantum world and the macro world.
If there are other universes we know nothing about them, or about the environment within which universes launch.
Roger Penrose's Infinite Cycles proposes no cause is necessary at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_FUlo8BF9Y
(July 13, 2023 at 10:29 pm)Belacqua Wrote:(July 13, 2023 at 9:51 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Can you show your work, totaling it up, and if "nearly all of it is clearly contingent", what is the small part that isn't contingent, and how do you know ?
If a thing is contingent, it depends for its existence on the existence of something else.
So for example, life on earth is dependent, directly or indirectly, on the sun.
The sun depends for its existence on the existence of hydrogen.
Hydrogen depends for its existence on the existence of sub-atomic particles.
Sub-atomic particles depend for their existence on the laws of nature being what they are.
All of this depends for its existence on the existence of space/time. If there was no space/time, none of this would exist.
If you know of anything which is NOT dependent for its existence on space/time or the laws of nature, I would be interested to hear about it.
Whether space/time and the laws of nature are dependent for their existence on some further thing, or whether they "just exist," is the subject of this thread.
None of those are are answers to the questions I asked.
You were asked to justify your unsupported assertion
I see you cannot.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
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