(July 21, 2023 at 1:30 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: When their book preaches burning other books, their violent sensitivity about their book being burned implies they absolutely don’t mind burning other people’s books under the pretext of valuing their own book.
There is nothing intrinsically irrational about stopping force with force. There is often a good deal of irrationality in the assessment that force never needs force to stop.
That’s another issue I’m trying to solve here. Look at this guy for instance:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/anjem-choudar...08868.html
The name is Anjem Choudary. What I really don’t like about this guys is this: See A Neo-Nazi that burns holy scriptures to attack minorities does not claim to be a democrat / or a socialist for instance. At least you can thrust them to be completely disoriented folks who believe in a completely distorted ideology. (And that’s why Germany has banned the use of Nazi propaganda materials + the use of swastikas or other Nazi symbols in public areas).
The issue with political islamists, Islamism extremism or Wahabi / Salafist ideologies, Islamic republics or even İslamic Kingdoms is this:
They are not humble enough to accepts that their view about Islam is only their view about Islam. These guys are unable to do that. For these people their view about Islam is “The only true interpretation of Islam” (And this should remind you of other similar western institutions that existed before the reforms of Luther etc.). And this makes them quite dangerous. First they are a danger to themselves. Than they are a danger to everyone else.
Ex: In Turkey we have this very famous “Martyr of the Republic” called Mustafa Fehmi Kubilay (by the way I have the same second name with him). He was a 24 Year old army Officer who ended up being killed by political İslamists mobs. You may read more about him here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Fehmi_Kubilay
This was because those “Muslims” did not like the idea of becoming a free independent / secular republic. So in my culture this is described as pure evil. Why? Because, as a culture, we are not that secular. Meaning that most people are still very tied to their religious culture and traditions. I can comfortably say that many of us are not that related to atheism or agnosticism. A bit like Brazilians or Americans for instance. And again, another cultural phenomenon, we tend to value our military a lot. And if you add to that that this event happened just a few years after the end of the war of independence (another very important issue for the great majority of us) you can more easily see what I mean by that.
Some people call these folk “simply evil persons”. I like to call them “typical ego dominated personalities”. Because everything about them is so typical of the ego (as described by Greek philosophers or eastern religions like Buddhism etc.).
1) They are complete hypocrites: What they preach and what they do with themselves is so typically unrelated.
2) They pretend to know everything + they really think they know everything yet their behavior shows you that you would be able to trust any Haitian gang member more than any of those guys.
So I understand that I am among atheists and I respect that. But the issue here is cultural. I think that many western nations are being too ethnocentric toward these guys. The fact that they are not Christians or Atheist does not make them Muslims. They are just people with One interpretations of the Holy Book and they are claiming that they are the ones with the only possible / correct interpretation.
This last phrase alone is telling us everything we need to know. So I am bringing my own perspective here: - That’s not how we do it. In fact I don’t know if it’s possible to do it that way. As far as I know, If you are not Paramahansa Yogananda or Rumi or St Francis you are like the rest of us. Meaning, a student of the spiritual path. So that’s what I am trying to demonstrate here.
Other addition I could make: These guys would probably condemn all of our prophets to death by stoning for being disobedient heretics or something like that.
So maybe these guys + the Koran / Torah burners should go fishing together. That’s How I see it

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