New Controversies around the Desecration of the Quran

[Leonardo17]

OFC the fact that theyre not christians or atheists doesn't make them muslim?  Being a fucking muslim makes them muslims.  You can't have islamists without islam.  

You're not wrong about that ending though.  Here in the us - which is mostly empty churches...so I don't know how tied we still are to our religions, even when we profess them.....in order to escape minority irrelevance, and secure perpetual minority rule, the religionists -did- decide to band together and stop publicly bickering with each other.  They have their book burnings and their cd stompings and it's all so very holy...holy...holy.  The xenophobes have gone through a similar process.  You know, when it even makes sense to separate the two as distinct groups.....  White nationalism is one of the places that actually brings atheists and theists together as a single moral community.  They fish too.

We let them do it, we laugh at them for doing it.  I see no reason to do to them what I would not do to you.  This idea that you have that there should be legal consequences.  We used to think that too, we had flag codes.  Obviously, we've left that behind.  If you really dove in, you'd probably find more actionable content in their actual speech then you would in their burning a magic book, or burning a flag.  We're permissive here, too...notoriously permissive, with respect to western countries.  Do you think the us government should change in that regard - and resume prosecuting people for bad speech...whether thats with their mouth or with a lighter?

 
- I agree that you are right on this in your own way. My argument is that the world is rapidly changing. My view on that is that Islam means that you are surrendering you very Ego to God and that’s the essence of the entire teaching. And there are those of us who truly live and define the whole issue in that manner. And I think of this “us” as being radically different from “them”.
 

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But one of the key things we will keep witnessing in this century is that those guys (I am also adding people like anti-abortionists etc. in that group) are going to be increasingly more extreme and more dogmatic in their behavior while the “us” part is going to become increasingly more spiritual with a more different way of doing things.
 
And I think this is already very visible right now. One version of Islam is totally humanistic, modern, with a rational / logical way of doing things. The second version is none of these things and everything it preaches is “Obey to the Saudi Royal Family” ( I can try to explain this in more details if you like, I just watched Michael Moore’s movie “Fahrenheit 9/11” did you know that “Muslims” already held 7% of your economy?).
 
So No, That’s not how I see it. But I understand your point. The same “element” is being used for what you are describing too and that’s very sad and unfortunate
 

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